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1864 With "L" Indian Head Cent. Whats The Grade?

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hey all,

Check it out. I just bought this 1864 with "L" Indian Head cent but I am having a hard time grading it. The obverse seems High AU or low MS but the revers (The shield) seems EF at best. thoughts?


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I'd be between high EF to low AU. Straight grade. Nice coin! !
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I think EF/XF (whatever you prefer) seems right.
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The coin as a whole is in EF condition and no problems . When there's the slightest wear on a coin it can't possibly be MS .
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The toning bothers me.
A TPG may think it's too dark; surface problems might be hidden.
If you can get pass that then I think low AU is about right.
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XF, no luster
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Thank You all! Now I'm going to flip the script on you. I didn't want to ask this in the original poster because when someone says "Counterfeit" people start finding problems.


so, do you think this is a counterfeit?

I have my reservations since purchasing but it seems very convincing. What I can tell you is that the weight is right and the slightly porous look is not raised but rather into the coin, which to me signify environmental damage.

I do not plan on submitting for certification due to the environmental damage but I don't want to sell it RAW to an unknowing collector if it is fake.

thank you again for your help on the grade!
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This one looks counterfeit. Mushy details, grainy looking, and color is typical of what is coming from China right now.

Look at the lettering around the rim.
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Outta my wheelhouse. 4th down, punt.
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Genuine 64-L for comparison


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It is convincing looking for sure. It's out of my wheelhouse as well, other than to say it has EF-45 or better sharpness.
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Whats that dot over the third feather? can we get better pics of
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Whats that dot over the third feather? can we get better pics of
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its a residue of some kind. I noticed it to and thought it might be a raised area on the coin but it is not a part of the coin. looks to be glue or some similar shiny residue. GOOD EYE!
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If fake, it's pretty convincing. I'd send it to be graded to confirm if fake or authentic.
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That dot looks like it belongs in the rim
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100% fake. 100% sure. Sorry.
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