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This seller has 17 coins listed and my gut tells me most if not all of them are forgeries. The listing motif is identical to the listenings of a group of sellers out of Russia/Ukraine that list the same forgeries over and over with the same generic naming convention "year country silver dollar/coin" I'm certain the thaler and the double thalers are forgeries as are most of the Chinese coins. I must admit that one of those Fat Man dollars looks very convincing. Forgot the link: https://www.ebay.com/sch/laura_5268...047675.l2562What are your thoughts? Edited by cableguy815
01/03/2019 12:26 pm
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cableguy815 First of all, happy new year!!I know it's a bit late,but still!Last time I rushed in judging that Leopold thaler before finding out it's weight,diameter and it's specific roller die bent so i'll only state that the pillar dollar and the ecu look really really dodgy !The thalers are a bit ''modern'' to me so I wouldn't know what to say except that I've seen a far worse forgery for the Schwarzburg-Sondershausen piece than this one!
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01/03/2019 2:52 pm
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Forum Dad
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Most likely a hijacked account, no activity in well over a year. I'll take care of it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yeah, that's odd. No ratings or feedback.
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You the man Bobby! Paul - Happy New Year! I'm fairly certain the thalers are forgeries because they all have the same look and feel and I keep seeing these identical issues popping up on ebay every time. There are other minor telltale signs which you can spot if you look closely. But I'll agree, these are of the better forgeries out there and they fool a lot of people! Most of these sell for $400 to $600!! |
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Any time I see coins in high grade with such low prices it is like the seller is trying very hard to tell you that it is fake without actually saying it.
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Forum Dad
United States
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Nope, click on them, they're gone.
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Forum Dad
United States
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Yeah, that's odd. No ratings or feedback. Actually not really, I see it all the time. The scammers set up a web page that looks exactly like an ebay login in page. Then they send out spam emails that look like they are from ebay with a link to the page they made stating that their account has been dormant for a long time and will be deleted if they don't log in within 48 hours. They click the link and log in, a new page pops up with "Congratulations! You have reactivated your ebay account and it will not be deleted." And bam, they have fresh login info. These people can send out a million emails and if even a quarter of a percent are successful they have 2,500 accounts hijacked, then this example is exactly what it looks like. |
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any way you could test them once you did get them to know if they are actually real deal? wow 1 off fakes, how does one make such things?
in the neutral comments, no negatives seem like a scrubbed account
"BE AWARE! GREAT LOOKING REPLICAS, THEY ARE VERY DECIVING! Weight, size accurate!"
Has quite a few customers already. Mostly Russian or German coins.
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01/03/2019 7:40 pm
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@booby
so you think she gets it from a different source?
I checked her feedback and you can tell some were fake accounts giving feedback others were real but they didn't know they had bought a fake item. Also strangely there is no negative feedback, yet the neutral feedback has that comment in it, also similar comment earlier but someone has done so in french and English. Why wouldn't it be in the negative comments and just in the neutral ones, unless she was able to either delete the negative comments or some how engineer the negative ones out of her account.
Yeah no activity in the past 6 months
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Those coins are from a source that is well known to ebay. These forgers produced several very troubling coins that always sold in this fashion - underpriced from an old inactive account. Several of their types routinely sold for $2500 or more. The pair of Two Taler pieces were the only coins still on line when I looked at this seller. Those matched the coins I saw first in 2012. They key here is that the coins are always underpriced. The forgers are taking advantage of GREED. Anyone who would buy such a coin at these ridiculous prices should get skinned. It serves them right because they were willing to defraud the seller. It is unfortunate but this forger will be back again - just give them time. They are patient with their sales. The comment about people who are unwilling to leave negative feedback is all too true. That happened all the time. The buyers often didn't want other people to know they got taken. |
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They key here is that the coins are always underpriced. The forgers are taking advantage of GREED.  Moraljeton, Germany, late 16th - early 17th century |
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Haha! Nice 1C5. You should post a translation for all of us uninitiated folk :) "Greed is the root of all of evil" Though I ultimately disagree; I'd replace stupidity with greed. In all fairness though, I don't necessarily think being opportunistic is greedy. Yes these coins started out cheaply, but it's an auction. I assure you if they weren't taken down they'd reach high prices. There are some really reputable sellers that list high end graded coins at plain auction with a starting price of .99. Yes, this strategy probably relies on people's auction frenzy to maximize prices. Another view can just be that in in efficient market (and ebay is VERY efficient), fair market prices are reached and greed has nothing to do with it. |
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