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1890 Penny - Victoria Engraved As A Soldier?

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So what do you all make of this? This is an 1890 penny, which someone has obviously turned into a piece of folk art. While the Reverse is unaltered, the obverse has been meticulously engraved with hundred of small knife/tool marks, transforming the bust of the queen into what may be a mustached soldier. The hat may be a military-style hat, with chin strap. She also appears to be wearing a military uniform, including some type of circular emblem with a number 1 within.

What do you make of this? Has Victoria been transformed in order to make her look like a specific person in uniform? Or has she just been made into a generic solder? Thanks for any input!


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Very interesting: I've seen similar coins before but nothing quite so elaborate. Possibly a Boer War souvenir, carved by a soldier with too much time on his hands? The old UK penny was ideal for this as it had a large surface area but a relatively low face value!
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The Hobo Penny! That's interesting.
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This is an interesting item. It has value (perhaps not a lot), and I would keep it for sure.

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Really neat find. Someone really did have some time on their hands.
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id keep it, probably pay 1 dollar for it maybe more. I wounder to who had the time to do this, I think more likely some student,or maybe a sailor.
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Skillfully done and, on reflection, rather flattering.
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For the question of "who the portrait is supposed to imitate", I would postulate this: there appears to be some kind of prominence on the front of the "hat" - much like the eagle perched on top of the Prussian Cavalry officer's dress helmet, which we see Kaiser Wilhelm posing in on the German East Africa coinage.

Given the other similarities with the portrait on those coins (the long moustache, high collar, etc) I would presume the aim was to imitate these GEA portraits of the Kaiser.

Perhaps carved by a bored German POW during WWI?
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It's called trench art similar to the US hobo . Done by servicemen in the trenches during wartime. Commands a premium. I love them .
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Is it possible to say how long ago the engraving was done compared to the coin?

There are some spots of bright metal in there. Would the deep parts of the engraving tone like the rest of the coin?

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There are some spots of bright metal in there. Would the deep parts of the engraving tone like the rest of the coin?


Yes they would in time, considering the composition. I see the lighter areas in the engraving, but that does not seem unusual if this were engraved by a WWI soldier, being a coin minted in 1890.
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