List Of Short-Lived "hub Designs"?

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kbbpll Pillar of the Community United States 4233 Posts	Posted 01/14/2019 7:57 pm I'm wondering if there is a list of "hub designs" and their years/months/duration of use. I'm specifically interested in which ones had short lifespans. I'm talking about specific intent to change design elements, no matter how minor, as long as the changes are recognized as a "type". For example, what got me thinking about this, the 1892 Barber quarter. The original reverse was minted, they discovered that the quarters did not stack properly, so they redesigned the reverse. Thus 1892 has two different, recognized, reverse hubs/designs. The original 1892 reverse lasted less than a year. I imagine that colonials have a lot of examples, and I realize that this is pretty esoteric. It crosses series and denominations, and this kind of detail seems to only be found within extensive knowledge of each. The story of the 1892 quarter just made me curious. How often has this happened, where a "design" exists for a brief period of time? It seems like a lot of work to create a galvano, master hub, master dies, working hubs, working dies, and then change it a short time later. Is there a list like this already? Report this Post to the Staff

spru Bedrock of the Community United States 12477 Posts	Posted 01/15/2019 02:16 am I suppose Large & Small Date varieties could be considered, but they were really just transitional and not specifically short-lived, overall. I'm not sure about Large/Small Letters for the appropriate types. More to your point, I think the 1883 "No CENTS" nickel fits the bill. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024 Report this Post to the Staff
kbbpll Pillar of the Community United States 4233 Posts	Posted 01/15/2019 11:15 am Thanks spruett001, the 1883 "no cents" is certainly one. I guess there's also the 1907 St Gaudens high relief and the 1907-1908 No Motto, the 1913 Buffalo nickel Type 1 "raised mound", and probably a great many others. I suppose developing a list with mintages to determine the "shortest-lived" would be a big project. I was curious if something like this already exists somewhere. Reading the Barber coins history got me thinking about how much effort it must have been to redesign mid-year (or from one year to the next after only one year) and how often this might have happened. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 01/15/2019 5:59 pm Ignore most US before 1836. Before that the dies were made by hand with the stars or lettering being punched in individually around the central device so every die is different. Quote: It seems like a lot of work to create a galvano, master hub, master dies, working hubs, working dies, and then change it a short time later. This method of die creation was not used until after 1868. The mint acquired a Hill reduction lathe in 1867. Before then they used Master die, working hub, working die. The master die would be created by sinking the central device from a hand cut hub and then the rest (except the date) would be punched in by hand. That master die then made the working hubs and would be used until it wore out (They may have reserved a few of the first working hubs to be used to create a new master die once the original wore out. That way one "Master Die" could be used for years even after the original on wore out.) In the 19th century they may have also used the Pre 1968 method for new designs in their first year just in case their needed to be small changes. That is speculation on my part. There are some things in early US that would fit what you are looking for. They are mostly design type changes, Half Cents 1793 Half Cent Liberty cap left 1793 only Possibly 1802 Half Cent comes with rev of 1800 and reverse type of 1803 Large cents 1793 chain rev Mar 1 through Mar 12 1793 1793 flowing hair Wreath rev Apr 9 to July 17 1793 Liberty cap head of 93 used Sept 1793 and Jan 10 - 13 1794 Liberty cap head of 94 used Jan 17 1794 - Nov 12 1794 Liberty cap head of 95 may be too long in service for what you want last 4 dies of 1794 to July 1796 1839 Silly head used on 2 dies in 1839 1839 Booby head used on used on 9 dies in 1839 The Braided hair with head rotated counterclockwise may be too long for what you are looking for 1 die in 1839 to mid 1843 Two Cent Piece small motto, one die, actually a pattern die that was used for production. Shield nickel rev of 1868 used for just part of 1868 I'm sure there are many others but I've spent enough time on this for the moment. Report this Post to the Staff
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