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Ok, so everybody know that a denarius consists mainly of silver. But I've never heard of a bronze one. Were they every minted in bronze? I have an example below. I have added an obvious fourree of Augustus 
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Were they every minted in bronze? Well, so called Limes denarii were, I believe. |
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Well, this looks to conform to Domitian RIC 719 (RSC 265) which ought to make it a silver denarius. Domitian did tinker with the fineness of this denomination throughout his reign, but it shouldn't be that the purity was ever so low that a specimen should appear to be billon (as opposed to outright bronze) in composition. The Limes denarius theory Bob L suggests above might be a viable explanation - some of these were very close copies of their genuine silver counterparts. This example looks to me to be a casting, which some Limes denarii supposedly were, but that also opens up the possibility of its being a more modern reproduction.
Colligo ergo sum
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Interesting, all the Limes I've seen were at least "silverish" and the details were not even close to being as crisp as on the Domitian. A possible contemporary counterfeit? LC, I'm going to check some fake reports to see if it's a modern repro. But it doesn't look like it is. Hmmmm  Edited by travelcoin
01/21/2019 12:03 pm
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Limes denarius had very little silver content as Bob stated, but I agree with travelcoin that this piece is either a contemporary or modern fake.
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I believe it's modern forgery. Some of the best forgeries around- the infamous Lipanoff Studios. This is a copy from these scumbags.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Travelcoin: Thanks for the lead on 'Lipanoff Studios".  I Googled 'lipanoff', and found quite lot to read on these fakes. Well worth it, if all of us could spend some time to do some reading, following this lead. The bronze fakes pictured in this thread could have been plated in silver to be much more dangerous, and deceive many novice collectors. |
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Travelcoin;
"The so-called Lipanoff Studio was a group of Bulgarian craftsmen who
operated openly to produce replicas rather than surreptitiously making fakes.
Their dies were hand cut and coins were hand struck in the ancient manner,
predominantly in silver, and rarely marked as copies. They were often of high
quality and while they might not have been intended to deceive, large
numbers nevertheless found their way into the marketplace as genuine coins.
However, with the full cooperation of the studio operators, most of the
Lipanoff output has been cataloged and published, so it is now relatively
easy for a serious collector or dealer to identify their coins, which also have
their own recognizable style to an experienced eye."
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Bedrock of the Community
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To be experienced with style recognition is one of the main reasons why I collect fake coins. They are entirely for my own education.
Even so, I never completely rely on my own acquired skills, if make a decision to buy an ancient coin of significant value. That verification comes from an internationally recognized ancient coin dealer friend of mine.
After I die, my fake coin collection will be added to his reference collection of fake coins.
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As far as I understand, in many Eastern European Countries, it is quite legal to make copies of ancient coins, and to sell them to whoever you wish to.
However, for citizens of these countries, it is illegal to sell genuine ancient coins to anyone outside their country, because such coins are considered to be National Heritage items.
U.S. Law backs this up.
When it comes to the Chinese copying any coin, the policy on copying and selling coins is much the same.
They don't even have to think about copyright Laws of other Countries.
Call them 'scumbags' if you wish, but they couldn't care less, because Chinese Law is on their side in China.
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01/21/2019 7:57 pm
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louisville, they are no doubt, craftsman and one can even say artists. However, almost all artists and craftsman sign their works. In this case, they don't. Modern replicas are marked so, which makes me a bit leery as to their intentions. In any case, my harsh word was out of anger and frustration. This is the second time, a dealer (not the same one) has been selling their coins as authentic. I believe The Hobby Protection Act was signed into law in 1973 (which all replica had to be marked), I'm sure they have heard of it. If their works were done before that date, then I apologize.
A properly marked replica  P.S. I have plenty of replicas, but they are marked so, and I payed for them accordingly. Edited by travelcoin
01/21/2019 8:07 pm
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