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1806 Large Cent - Grade & Authenticity Request

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These were the best shots I could take at the time because of factors beyond my control. I can shoot them again when conditions & availability improve in a about a month.

If a grade is not possible, please at least comment on its genuineness.


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Curious why you can't take pics again for a month ?
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...pics again for a month ?


The guy who has the coin is selling it for a third party whose schedule is up in the air until next month.

I will check back with him periodically to see if things have changed.
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This is a very valuable coin in higher grades. Just look at those reverse rims, they barely show any wear meaning you're in the AU range at least. Price-wise that takes you to the level of several thousand dollars at a minimum.

There are not many 1806 Draped Bust Cents in AU quality left in this world. A handful relatively speaking. The reverse looks very questionable. If genuine it's worth $5,000+.
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...can't take pics again for a month ?


I just remembered that I did initially take a shot of the type set book that this cent was in but thought it was too dark to help.

When I lightened it up using the Microsoft Photos program of Win 10 it vastly improved what I thought was useless.

Shoot away once more if this discovery sheds more light and I'll still push for access to the coin for both sides etc...:



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The fraction on the reverse looks very odd. So does the upper left leaf, but perhaps there are varieties (?).

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color looked better on the last shot. According to large cents.net there was only 1 variety for 1806. S-270. The 1 in 100 looks strange compared to the example on Largecents.net website.
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I know my photo is not the best but it's adequate enough to point out these interesting facial profile intricacies. I threw these partial shots together side-by-side to make it easier to compare:


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The purchase is on hold for now.
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my first thought on this was that something was off just by the look of it. looking closer at the mouth it does not seem right as previously noted. I would be skeptical based on the coin rarity and value.
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Pics too burry for me to judge.
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I bugged my friend to get these latest shots ASAP and they do appear a bit clearer. However, I do not have any control over how they appear or whether they can even be improved. Just let me know if I need to reach out again for better shots...

I do hope that our group can now better grade and authenticate this specimen:


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I obviously jumped to a premature conclusion with my face measurements but this procedure is how I normally differentiate between real and fake coins, especially on professionally altered to-close-to-call counterfeits. Facial characteristics are really tough to
replicate 100% IMO etc.

I'm looking forward to receive your input.
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For this $$, if I really wanted it, I would make the sale contingent upon verification/grading by PCGS. Or an expert of your choosing.
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I don't like it. These latest pics make me think it is a cast fake.
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