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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have been thinking about this lately- what have you done to make sure your collection is appreciated after you pass on? By this I mean, have you cataloged everything with value? Have you explained to your significant other what your collection is worth? Have you taken pictures of each coin to help if the collection is sold?
I have no intentions of leaving anytime soon, but unexpected things happen. I have accumulated and respectable collection (mid 5 digits) and know in the wrong hands it could be sold for pennies on the dollar.
This in not a thread to debate if selling a collection is wrong, I would like nothing more to have my son of daughter take my collection and pass it on to their children someday(my children are only 3 and 5 years old). As I said earlier things happen, people need money. I have attempted to make sure my family is taken care of in case I have a unexpected departure, once again thing happen and situations arise.
I have talked to my wife about the value of my collection and she knows some of the more valuable coins I own. My problem is I have so many, some worth face some worth many times more. I have BU rolls laying all around my house, bags of 5000, 2X2 boxs filled with AU-BU cents, it is almost like a "hoard" of Lincolns.
So what is your plan? Do you have one? I have told myself I am going to stop buying anymore until I cataloged what I have with values and pictures but I keep finding "deals" and adding to the piles.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I think you're on the right track with noting the stuff that's particularly valuable. Providing a list of dealers to contact is a good idea, since you already know who to deal with.
In some cases, a collection will pass down thru the years, but reality tells us that some inheritors are only interested in how much they can get for it. In that case, it's often best to sell it yourself, since you know what's good and how to negotiate.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Lots of possible responses.
One that I have toyed with is to buy really choice (super choice and rare) specimans in the series that I like. So instead of having 120 Walking Liberties in albums, air-tites and 2x2's - shrink it down to one, two or three really choice Walkers. You should still enjoy that and it makes it a heck of a lot easier on the people who inherit it - less space and if they like coin collecting, they've got the coins and if they want to sell, it's a lot easier to sell a couple of "gee wizz" coins than a who bunch of regular stuff in 2x2's.
BTW, this is exactly what I'm doing with my sports card collection right now - liquidating and concentrating on a handful of really cool cards.
Edited by Kabiye_Lady 08/06/2008 07:39 am
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Moderator
 United States
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Cataloging a collection is a good idea but unless you leave current price list or copies of current catalogs (Redbook, Maccas)
the prices will fluctuate.
I have left written directions with three members of my family (what if something happens to both my wife and I) as to in the case of my death, what is to happen to my collection. I have some grandchildren who collect- I have designated some "special coins and banknotes" to them.
The directions then include the names of dealers and collectors I trust who could help dispose of the rest. (That is provided it does not take a "Gold Coin" to purchase a single gallon of petrol (gasoline)).
Also since my collection is secured in the written directions which only three people know where they exist, I have left directions on how to gain access to the collection (You don't think I have it just laying around the house do you?)
Plan for the unexpected it is what will come to pass.
It is never to early or to late to plan on what happens to your collection if you are not around.
rggoodie aka Richard "catch em doing something right"
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Valued Member
United States
259 Posts |
This is a good topic; been thinking about it myself.
What concerns me is that my heir(s) will take my collection to a dealer who will tell them (truthfully) that most of the coins aren't worth much, if anything. That's because I bought things I like, which doesn't mean anyone else will pay anywhere near the prices I paid for them, if anything at all.
The gold, silver and better third-party graded coins should have asceratainable value though, and I will leave my estimated value for those. If they want to sell - and that is o.k. by me - they should be able to get somewhere near the fair market value for these.
Unfortunately we can't predict the date of our demise, but if this is a concern maybe you'd want to sell off the lesser stuff ahead of time and only leave the gold, silver and better third-party graded coins to your heirs. They're more easily converted to fair cash value.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have the majority of the collection organized by types in three-ring binders. Most coins are in 2x2 with notation of grade and variety (especially Morgan and Peace VAMs). I have catalog reference numbers on the 2x2's and this is on an XL spreadsheet with a lot of additional info (price paid, 2008 price estimate, rarity scale, etc.). I give the wife an electronic copy every time I update it. She doesn't have the interest and knows very little. I don't want her taken by some shady dealer. I had originally intended to have this as a nest egg should times get tough, but I'm leaning more now towards getting my 2 yr old grandson interested in the hobby. Should he develop the passion, I may bequeath the coins to him. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 Great topic and something I've been worried about for a long long time. My collection includes stuff from my Mom and Dad (divorced since I was 4 years old).....stuff from my Grandma and Grandpa on my Moms side.....and stuff from my Great-Grandpa on my moms side.....And the hoard which I've amassed for myself. I have to be honest and say that, although I've made "some" progress, I basically have an uncatorgized/undocumented mess ! I've kept most every receipt from purchases made....... but I have no "spreadsheet" which is what one needs to do.True the values will fluctuate.....but I worry that someone will only get "pennies on the dollar" to a dealer. I'm trying to "educate" my girlfriend (eventual wife) too, but my collection will always belong to "my family" .........and must stay in my "family tree". Some things will be "ours" and (her daughters) I'm sure, but if something happens to me.......blood family two hundred years from now should still have my collection (and keep adding to it). So, I seem to have a weird situation to deal with, AS WELL, as getting the collection arranged and documented properly.My sister agrees that we don't want my coins to be in any future divorce/lawyer messes. Or, in no way shape or form should the coins go to "someone else's family tree" due to marriage or other situations. So, I'm always a little stressed by this......AND I'm ALWAYS TOO BUSY OR TOO TIRED TO GET MY COINS SQUARED AWAY !... 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I have every single coin, proof and mint set I own in an Excel spreadsheet. Each coin/set includes a ton of info like grade, what I paid, rarity comments, Red Book/CDN values, etc. I'm very anal about keeping it updated too. My wife is well aware of the spreadsheet if something were to happen to me. I also print copies and put it with the coins. I want to be sure they understand the value of the collection. My instructions are to not sell anything unless they are in desperate need of cash. Hopefully, that will never be the case as I have a pretty substantial life insurance policy. 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thad I hope your family is wise enough or cares enough to do as you suggest. HOWEVER, my experience with families when someone passes on is they tend to change. Wives that pretend to respect your belongings sometimes really don't care at all. Brothers, sisters, kids, etc. sometimes really change when there is something to be made into cash. Example is a freind of mine was a small arms instructor in the US Army. His basement had more firearms, ammunition, targets, parts for guns than many gun stores. His entire family appeared to be interested to some degree. He passed away and the entire family called in a gun store for an appraisal. He offered a few thousand dollars and they took it. There were numerous WW2 guns such as Mauser Broom Handles and Lugers all with matching part numbers. One of my neighbors was a Gold coin collector. He passed away and his wife sold the entire collection within two weeks after. If you watch these forums, you'll see many times someone saying they inherited a coin collection and want to know how to sell the thing. I USED to worry about what will happen to all my collections but it just dosen't pay to worry about something I'll never know. I have seveal old cars, coin collections, knife collections and many other such things that I have no idea what will happen to them all. Only one relative and in Tennessee and has no interest in any of my stuff so it will probably all be dumped into a banks counting machine. Or sold off at a local flea market. I USED to document everything in Excel spread sheets but stopped that. Why catalog everything for nobody. I'll let whoever gets all this to figure it all out.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2797 Posts |
Sage words carl! That's why I will invest the time getting my grandson involved in this hobby. He'll have to pass muster before I pass the coins. My Dad took the time and look how I turned out! 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't expect my family to keep the collection. My daughters are too young right now (1 and 3) and my wife doesn't know much. She does know to look up the PCGS price guide to get a rough estimate on value so she won't sell the 56 FE for 50 bucks. Someday, if one or both of my daughters get the coin bug, they will have a heck of a collection to play with.
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Valued Member
United States
429 Posts |
Death is a strange thing and amazing how it brings the ugly side out in people.
Personally I look at it as a personal thing along with the belongings. It seems weird to be looking at someones possessions while they are alive thinking "I want that". I am one of the few lucky enough to still have a set of grandparents alive at their age and know that they could go at any time. When they pass on I know that everything will be divided mainly into three groups (one for each child) and within that group there will be something for each grandchild. My mentality is that I do not care what I get as long as when I look at it I can remember my grandparents. I have no idea what kind of money they have, if there are any hidden treasures or if they are flat broke (okay, they are not flat broke, but their financial situation is not my business), it's their memory that is more important to me.
When my parents go they have already told me and my brother that everything goes to us and that there is no one else involved. The sad part about this is that my parents have promised certain items to my brother and sister in law and my wife now and then gets jealous. This makes me laugh because it has nothing to do with her and there is no reason to get upset about it. I think the main reason she gets this way is because she knows that a few of her siblings will pick away at everything her parents have to the point that she will be lucky to have anything at all. Sad to think that me and my brother are care free about it and her family would kill over something that, like others have said, will most likely be sold for cash.
Personally I do not have a large collection but hope that over the rest of my life it grows but the that the interest I have put into my kids is stronger and that they actually have better collections than me.
Carl, when I was reading your advice I feel sad that there is no one in your family that you can pass these fine collections onto. There are a lot of us on this board that joke around about you adopting us in to 'help out' where we can with that process but seeing it in good hands is always a concern. I have no idea what your social circles are but maybe you need to find someone that shows the same interests as you and give them a big surprise and leave it to them. How cool would that be, someone that was your friend and you just hung out with decided to leave a collection of stuff to you when they passed on. To me, that would mean the world and be a huge keepsake even if it was not something I collected. Something from the heart goes a lot farther than a hand out.
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Valued Member
Finland
294 Posts |
Quote: blood family two hundred years from now should still have my collection (and keep adding to it). I have same kind of thoughts as you have  Earlier generations put aside some coins of their age and I got them in plastic bag when I was 12-13 years old. Now I'm 25 years old and have added hundreds of coins into that collection. As I'm darksider, I want that this collection is very comprehensive and beautiful to look. Of course I´m little worried about future - are there any circulating coins 20-50 years from now 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I added some notebook paper pages to my dansco7070 album and listed each coin and value (according to grey sheet bid at the time) and added dates that those values were correct. I also added the grade the TPG gave the coin if it was graded or a estimate grade if it was raw. some of the prices have gone up since I added the prices but I told her if she gets this amount for the coins then she did ok and atleast didn't get ripped off. I will update the prices about every 5 years or so just to try to keep it as close up to date as possible. I actually started this when I was with my wife so if something happened she would know what they were worth and have since given the same instructions to my kids (since my wife and I are no longer together). I also do about the same thing with all my other coins (most are slabbed) for a just in case thing but last time I added up the grey sheet of the 7070 album it was around $12000.00 which really surprised me so it has its advantages to keep track of this information, in 5 years I hope it will be worth more and I will be able to see how much it actually has increased in value over the years not to mention it will be complete by then since I have started buying coins again for it
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Moderator
 United States
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At this time, I fully intend my son to get it. If I ever have grand-children, then I will reassess my plan. My wife knows how important it is as a legacy; that it is not to be sold because our savings and insurance should cover her expenses. (We are also firm believers in cremation; Death, Inc. will not profit from us!  ) There are no guarantees; the best I can expect is that my wife or son will be able to do the right thing.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I like the answers so far, I guess I am not the only one who thinks about things like this. I have seen the ugliness a persons passing can bring on a family, and can only hope my family is reasonable when the time comes.
As people have said, money talks and that is all some people are concerned about. When I was a teenager my mother took my collection and put it away along with my father stamp collection. I am glad she did as there were many of times I would have sold that stuff for who knows what. After I got married she returned all of my stuff and I now am continuing what I started when I was a young boy(except the stamps, I have no interest in them, there are box's full of them). I have thought about doing the same with my children when they grow up.
I like the ideal of reducing the load, I actually have thought about it. My dealer who I buy most of my stuff from is short on Lincolns (probably because I bought them all) and has been bothering me to sell some of my cents, maybe I will!
I currently keep anything worth a lot in the safe deposit, this works well in 2 ways. It keeps them safe and keeps them out of my children's hands to buy candy at the store or whatever else may come to mind.
I bought some 3 ring binders to start the organizing, work will slow down in October and I will have plenty of time to go through all of my stuff. I do save all receipts so that will help with the organizing.
Carl- I agree with Penny picher, I hope that there is someone you could either mentor or share your collection with, it would be a very sad day if your collection went into a coin counter. I have thought about donating some of my collection to some young collectors, but have not figured out how to go about it.
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