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Look at the comparison between the two examples and see if you agree or disagree that the two examples are very similar. One has been determined to be a Scratch, The Other as a Struck Through. Which do you feel is which ? Dan  |
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The 2nd one is not a scratch. There's no displaced metal at all. See the deep trench? That's because it was Struck Through an object diring the strike. A scratch wouldn't look like that.
Errers and Varietys.
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At what point on the first example do you see displaced metal. The area around the first example is Flat with the surface of the coin, not raised.
The first examples Trench is VERY deep. The second example the trench actually appears shallower.
Dan
Edited by Panther
01/28/2019 5:20 pm
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Dan, I completely see your argument. On the top pic where the very tip of the I in LIBERTY is pushed inward may make some feel it is a scratch. I'm terrible with pictures that show either a scratch or something raised on the coin. I really can only tell the difference with coin in hand.
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Jim, I agree, it is very hard to determine accuracy in photos,
the reason I say that, is lighting can change a photo into several different appearances.
I don't want this to be an argument thread. Just to discuss how we may be able to better agree on various topics.
The two photos appear very similar.
Dan
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Dan, since you ask, here are my thoughts...
Whenever I see one of these (either in hand or here on CCF), my initial hypothesis is that it is damage. If there is no way for it to be damage, then I will accept that it could be a mint error.
For the two example pics posted on this thread, the lighting is such that either one could have built up metal on at least one side of the linear mark. This raised metal has been displaced and therefore happened after striking. For the coin originally posted by @john1, his pictures from other vantage points clearly show that there is no raised metal. For yours, I haven't seen any pics which show this clearly, but the pics that were included do seem to show raised metal on at least on side of the linear mark.
Consider playing around with photographing your coin and add those additional pics to your original thread. Maybe you'll convince me (and the others) that yours is struck through debris also.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Here is a little better photo to show the rim of the indent is flush with the surface of the coin. Dan  |
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That's what I needed to see.it is a struck through error. From the other images it was as clear as the last image. Real deal.
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Yes I tend to agree, although I would prefer to have a couple additional supporting photographs. With that said, listen to @coop over me.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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I agree, it is very hard to determine accuracy in photos, the reason I say that, is lighting can change a photo into several different appearances. Bingo! Lighting has fooled me more than once. Be its in hand or an image. That's one of the reasons why I stopped making snap decisions sometimes. As we all know if I or someone else posts it on the Internet that tends to make it true for some individuals. I try to research as needed, weight all the information in and make my own decision. Even the *experts* whom have seen tens of thousand+ times more than I are not always in agreement nor always right. A coin is innocent until proven guilty. Sometimes the coin or image itself explains or shows an issue beyond a reasonable doubt. If not its up to the individual to prove the case or live with a given verdict. Thanks, Doug. Adding - *experts* is not meant to reflect CCF members only, but includes 3rd party graders as well as the top ten attributers outside of this forum. Edited by Halo1st
01/29/2019 2:51 pm
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Coop, thank you for your comment.
Please don't interpret my questioning the opinion of anyone as being against anyone personally. That photo of the angle across the coin took me a LONG time to get. I could see, that the indent had no raised elements, and the surface was flat across the indent, but I couldn't convince anyone otherwise. So I had to get a photo of it.
Picture this. Holding the microscope head in my hand with a small LED light next to it, in my other hand another light to eliminate shadows from the angle. THEN literally clicking the mouse with my elbow to capture the photo.
Dan
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