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1945 S Wheat Error. It Has The Reverse Struck On The Obverse

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Hello all you Experts on here, I need some help before I make a huge mistake. I found this penny while bank roll searching. At 1st I thought oh wow this penny was smashed so hard that the penny next to it imprinted the Reverse onto its Obverse, but after putting the glass on it I could clearly read ONE CENT and it was raised off of the coin so that did not happen. So I am here for help, I can not find any information on this coin error, there has been no other ones that have come forward with it, or at least online about it.
Any help and direction would be appreciated

Thanks Guys and Gals
Allen



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It could be a die Clash. It was it's certainly one of the strongest die clashes I've ever seen or heard of! But I don't want to call it now and I'll wait to see what others think.
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Better pics,a little more light.
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Both devices are oriented correctly, so it would have had to be double struck coin.
Wasn't this same coin featured in another thread today. I believe Jim Or EV posted a link to ebay auction for the coin at $449.00 ?

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Busted?
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Dan, it's a different cent.
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Was it created with a counterfeit soft die?
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EV, either it's fake or two of the most ironic coincidences for both to be identical.
So it has to be a fake. What are the chances the two coins could get double Struck in the exact same orientation.

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Dan it was in a different thread earlier today and the Coin Community Staff moved it to this thread stating it would get the attention it needed here
so no its not a fake
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John 1
I am currently working on better pics
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Dan, I am assuming it's a fake, since the strike is way too crisp.
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Apledger,
Let us know your pic taking set up,we may have tips for you.
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What is the give away that coin is fake?
Wheat Overlay for a clash:
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Note the alignment of a die clash? The reverse is 180 Degrees off. The USA would not appear on the bust as the bust is incuse in the die would not appear on the tops of the head.
Again the rotation is incorrect. So unless this was done with a rotated obverse die, this couldn't happen. More of a rookie mistake faking the wrong orientation of the dies.
Flip over Double Struck:
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I'm leaning towards either a clash or a flipped 2x Strike
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Actually I feel it is a fake. I make the illustrations to show that the faked coins devices were not in the correct position for either. On the other thread on that coin the devices appear only on the highest points on the bust:
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The reverse is different as it shows more there, but I attribute that to the flat profile on the reverse of the coin.
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Us chumbalones are really interested in this. So, coop, this was a fabrication apparently made a long time ago?
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