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Philip IV Of France (The Fair)

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In my search for English Hammered coins I keep coming across Medieval French ones that catch my eye. He is one I just purchased.

Philip IV
Known as The Fair and The Iron King
King of France from 1285-1314
He is most noted for the role he played in the destruction of The Knights Templar on Friday 13th 1307, his wars with King Edward I of England of disputed lands in France and a war with the Flemish. He also was in conflict with Pope Boniface VIII for attempting to take over the French clergy, this resulted in the pope transferring the Papal court to Avignon in 1309.

AR Denier Parisis A'L'o Rond
19.9mm x 1.05g
L.224
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Additional information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_IV_of_France
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Lovely coin, Ron. Nice addition to your medievals. I like the color. I assume some of that is toning, but perhaps also some debasement? Is it billon?
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Thanks Bob, it's listed as silver but I'm sure it's not very high grade. What drew me towards this one was the role he played in the destruction of the Knights Templar.
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Yes, a lovely example. These French coins are certainly addictive.
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Thanks Andrew, they do seem to be addictive. It didn't start out to be an area that I wanted to get into, but it seems to be turning out that way.
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Perhaps a silly question, what does "A'L'o Rond" mean.

My first guess is "round" but that seems too obvious and pointless.
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In fact, that's right: "with a round O"

Also a descriptor for some for some of the gros from Phillip IV.
I guess to set them apart from earlier types with a more oval shaped O?
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Excellent coin Ron!....I really like the colouring too......
As you know its not an area I collect 'yet' but judging by the diameter weight ratio these coins are quite thin and fragile?

And so the little medieval set grows Nice addition Paul
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Quote:
In fact, that's right: "with a round O"

Also a descriptor for some for some of the gros from Phillip IV.
I guess to set them apart from earlier types with a more oval shaped O?


OR, thinking further, was it to differentiate the coin from the schyphate coins of Byzantium which would have been the only other coins with approximately the same mass.
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This denier à l'O rond is a billon coin ( about 360 °/°°) , minted 1285/1290 in Paris .
weight about 1-1.1 gr , diameter about 20 mm
obv : + PHILIPPUS REX ,begins at 9 o'clock,in the middle : FRA OCN in two lines in 'boustrophedon' : Francia occidentalis
rev : + PARISIUS CIVIS : city of Paris
A l'O rond (with a round O ) is only to make the difference between differend denier coins .
Very nice coin for this type . albert
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I agree that this is a super pick-up fir the type Ron. If/when you settle on purchasing a reference book for these, I'd be happy to let you know my thoughts.
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Thanks all for he comments and Albert for the definition. Dave I would appreciate your recommendations of reference books, I should get one.
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