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I sent these two out a bit back and just received the images and grades. They both came back as damaged, which seems to be an umbrella term for when they can't pinpoint specifically what's wrong. They are genuine, which is what matters most, but why may they have come back as "damaged"? And, with these specific coins, does that sort of details grade horribly affect price (especially with the AU details)? I appreciate any insight. This is my first experience getting my coins professionally graded.I also don't have the coins in my hand just yet (still being shipped), so if better pictures are needed I can send them when I receive the coins.     |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I think your pics are not large enough for us to judge what the damage might be.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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I have never had a coin slabbed so my expertise on this subject is zero!
But to have 'DAMAGED' printed in capital letters on my graded coin would be quite off-putting!!
I agree with GrapeCollects that at least the second coin looks slightly out of shape but does this warrant the strong description placed, as these are very thin coins to start with?
In my very inexperienced opinion When you see the word 'DAMAGED' you tend to think there is something quite seriously wrong with the coin?...Or not?
As Coinfrog said the images are not that clear but I can't see anything that stands out as 'DAMAGED'..Maybe a scratch in front of the obverse of the second coin....but is this a scratch or DAMAGE?
I will be interested to hear other collectors opinions!?....Paul
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Edited by tdziemia
02/06/2019 9:00 pm
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Canada
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I don't know why, but I just went to NGC to get a better look at the pictures, and that 2830214-001 details grade came back with "No match found".
Maybe they don't photograph those coins, but I would think they do because the drop down menu after the Cert. number has details available to be selected.
Perhaps someone else know better why there is no match found.
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Thanks for all of the ideas! I did notice the coins looked a bit "wavy", but I never thought it would come back as "damaged". Especially for such a thin and old coin, I would've assumed the waviness would bring down the grade, but not cause a details grade.
And GMS5, I think they haven't officially put it into the system just yet. I just got an email from them with the pictures, but on my submissions in NGC the order stills says its in "Quality Control".
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New Member
United States
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I think the term "wavy planchet" is just a nicer term used to sell details grade coins as the planchet stops being wavy once the coin is actually struck.
Here's NGC's official definition of what defines a bent coin: BENT - Coins are simply that — they show a non-mint-made curvature when viewed on end
Considering that, "Damaged" seems to imply there is something more that affects the originality of the coin. I think NGC might've done you dirty on this one.
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02/07/2019 1:42 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Both coins look bent to me.
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Pillar of the Community
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As one person above observed, Dutch gold ducats are often "wavy as made". I don't know exactly WHY (with Spain "pistareen"-type 2 Reales, it's because they were made using a rocker press)... and I don't know exactly HOW LONG that effect was prevalent... Offhand, I'm more used to seeing 1600s and earlier 1700s pieces like that.
Also, to be fair, AU det. on that 1789 is... perhaps a tad generous.
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