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This Is A Proof 1909 VDB Lincoln Cent

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I have found the markings on this coin that show it to be a proof, want to know how to get it verified and put up for auction.
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 Posted 02/08/2019  04:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@sam1966, could you please post overall pics of the front and back of this coin? Also, based on your questions about wanting to get this graded by a TPG, consider asking the mods to move this thread over to the modern US coin grading section of CCF. You should consider getting the opinion of others here before you pursue the expense of getting it slabbed.
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I agree with Spence. Full pics of the obverse and reverse please.
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Nice images but we definitely need full obverse and reverse images to help, before sending it in to get slabbed and spending your hard earned $$.

Early matt proof Lincolns are more than the shape of the rims.
Certain die scratches and other markers are known and will be used for attribution by a grading company.
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 Posted 02/08/2019  09:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sam1966 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is front and back.
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 Posted 02/08/2019  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RaleighCoinDeal to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't look like a proof but a cleaned Unc. Try changing the lighting and put up another photo
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Not a proof in my opinion.



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It is in beautiful shape though.
Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection:
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Normal business strike. Not a proof.
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The inner photos are of the markings they look for as a proof, the cresent die chip by the M in UNUM and the die mark from the decimal between the D and B in V.D.B.? What makes you say that it is not a proof?
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I am strongly inclined to think you have a really really nice business strike cent. If you feel that it is a proof I definitely would send it in to a TPG. Beautiful cent you have.
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I am with the consensus that it is not a proof. But a TPG would be the final word.
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Those are not the squared rims of a proof.
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Not a matte proof cent. The devices are a lot stronger because they are struck more than once.
No VDB:
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With VDB:
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Note the clarity of the strike. These are often toned different colors because they were left in the cello for so long.
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Side by side with a question here is a coin was a matte proof. Side by Side.
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Rim differences between a Business strike coin and a matte proof coin:
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Seeing several of them together helps to Get a better idea of what they look like.
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I recall that for at least some years, including 1909VDB, that the proof die was later used for circulation strikes - this may be the case here.
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If they do reuse a die, it would only be struck once. Thus the Matte proof strike have a lot more detail Also the die strike are limited in number before they are retired.
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