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1964-D 50c DDO-003 / RPM-006 Stage A VEDS

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For quite some times I had been trying to identify a 64D Kennedy DDO with the characteristics of the DDO-003 (which I also have and it is in stage B MDS) but missing all the attributed markers! until I connected with Mr Larry Nienaber during one of the very recent posts here on the Forum and he kindly offered to take a look at the photos and identify it.It turned out to be an unlisted VEDS DDO-003/RPM-006 ( It was at his direction that I enlarged the mintmark ( this time by 30x) and noticed the vertical bar)
It was an educational experience for me to realize the difference in the progression of a Die from the very early stage and to see the differences first hand, and wanted to share this with you.

Here are the images and the marker for DDO-003/RPM-006 Stage B MDS:

1964-D-50c-DDO-003-/-RPM-006-Stage-A-VEDS
1964-D-50c-DDO-003-/-RPM-006-Stage-A-VEDS
1964-D-50c-DDO-003-/-RPM-006-Stage-A-VEDS
1964-D-50c-DDO-003-/-RPM-006-Stage-A-VEDS
1964-D-50c-DDO-003-/-RPM-006-Stage-A-VEDS

Here are the images of the VEDS along with Larry Nienaber's conclusion:


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I compared your photos, very good photos, to the three 64D DDO-003/RPM-006 half dollars in my collection...a very early MDS, MDS and a LDS, which all have the CONECA master listed markers.
I think all the doubling in your photos match the DDO-003. I think your half is a Stage A VEDS, and if you notice James Wiles has not confirmed a EDS in the listings which might be why your half doesn't show any of the listed markers. When I look at the fields in your photos it looks like the die used was only very lightly polished like around the R in LIBERTY, and not polished at all in the fields around your WE T or above the eagles left arm photos thus proving it to be a very early die state.
My conclusion would be, using your photos, your half would be a Stage A (VEDS) 64D DDO-003/RPM-006, with an obverse marker being the die scratches around and inside the R of LIBERTY, and the two die gouge dots on rays 5 and 7 right above the stars between the rays on the reverse. None of these are on my three half dollar.


1964-D-50c-DDO-003-/-RPM-006-Stage-A-VEDS
1964-D-50c-DDO-003-/-RPM-006-Stage-A-VEDS
1964-D-50c-DDO-003-/-RPM-006-Stage-A-VEDS
1964-D-50c-DDO-003-/-RPM-006-Stage-A-VEDS
1964-D-50c-DDO-003-/-RPM-006-Stage-A-VEDS
1964-D-50c-DDO-003-/-RPM-006-Stage-A-VEDS
1964-D-50c-DDO-003-/-RPM-006-Stage-A-VEDS
Edited by Chase007
02/08/2019 11:51 am
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That's an awesome coin! Congratulations!

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That's awesome Chase! Congratulations!
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That's a beauty. Can't believe how clear the doubling is.
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Nice one Chase! I have one and they are a really good coin for eye appeal!
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Thanks guys, it is a very interesting progression from early stages of a Die to later stages and how it changes.
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02/08/2019 1:48 pm
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Thanks jim,
50c DDO's have always been of my interest, particularly the DDO-003 and DDO-005(quad),and have a few of each :)
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very nice! wonderful shape too.
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This one is the correct die, just not the correct die state. The coin is showing a LDS/VLDS die state when your coin was struck. I see they don't have images for the Stage 'B' or 'C'. I'm leaning more towards the stage 'C' from what I can see on your coin. If your coin is BU, you might consider seeing if they would like to take images of it for the Variety Vista Site?
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coop, the coin is BU MS-63/64 just has several bag marks.


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you might consider seeing if they would like to take images of it for the Variety Vista Site?


I sent an email to Dr Wiles, will keep you posted on his response.
Edited by Chase007
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Very cool coin! You photos are fantastic.
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Thank you fortcollins.
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Update:

Here is James Wiles's response.






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Mike:

I would be happy to attribute your coins. The attribution fee for Kennedy halves is $12.00 per coin plus the return P&I ($8.00 per package). You may send up to 10 coins at a time.

Thanks,
James Wiles
Edited by Chase007
02/09/2019 4:29 pm
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