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Coins In My Fiance's Fathers Possession That Look Ancient..

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 Posted 02/24/2019  03:41 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add latexcatdaddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So my fiance is from Afghanistan and her father has kept these coins in his family's possession for many many years. Can anyone give me an idea of origin, year, or price? Thank you for your patience and help in trying to identify them! God bless!
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 Posted 02/24/2019  04:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Very interesting lot and consistent with ancient Afghan coinage, but a major caveat - fakes of these coins have been in production for a long time!

In the first picture all the coins read 'ΒΑΣΙΛΕΟΣ ΜΕΓΛΟΥ ΕΥΚΡΑΤΙΔΟΥ' (of the Great King Eucratides) or 'ΒΑΣΙΛΕΟΣ ΕΥΚΡΑΤΙΔΟΥ' (of the King Eucratides). Eucratides was a powerful ruler of the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom which formed from a splinter of Alexander's empire and was the furthest east of the major Greek kingdoms. By the time of Eucratides (171BC - 145BC), contact with other hellenistic kingdoms had been reduced by the rise of the Parthians, but they had contact in the east with China and India and continued to trade with Ptolemaic (i.e. Greek) Egypt via the sea.

His power and prestige is clear from the large number of coins he issued with high artistic qualities; his coinage is amongst the finest examples of hellenistic art and good examples command a high price. If you take a look at some Afghan banknotes from the 80s or 90s, you will find the reverse of these coins depicted. Eucratides was murdered by his son, who would oversee the demise of the empire; a splinter of the kingdom in India would survive until 10AD.

As a side note, here is what the coinage looked like immediately before the Indo-greek kingdom fell in 10AD, to give an idea of the quality of Eucratides coins:
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Are yours real? The likelihood is always quite low, but there isn't much to say these are fake. From the pictures, I see no evidence of casting and all of them come from different dies, which is an excellent sign. There is encrustation on some, which could indicate antiquity (and likely could be removed by professional conservators). If you can get us pictures of the edge (where casting is most easily noted) and find the weight, it could help. Otherwise, you should take these to a numismatics auction house for professional in-hand examination. If authentic, they are worth a lot of money.

The second set of pictures is more easy to weigh in on - unfortunately, it looks like a cast fake. The type is Herakles / Zeus seated, popularised by Alexander, but the name on it isn't Alexander. Due to the casting artifacts, I can't read the name, but I'm sure someone will recognise the type because having an inscription on the Herakles side is very unusual.

The next coin is an Indian issue from a slightly later time which I also don't recognise but there are some very knowledgeable people here who will be able to help on that.

The leather object at the end looks like it's supposed to be cuneiform, but to my knowledge, cuneiform wasn't written like that. You should try emailing a museum to ask about it - the British Museum has a large cuneiform collection, if you bug them they can probably help. Heres an example of cuneiform:

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...will recognise the type because having an inscription on the Herakles side is very unusual.


Agathokles (Baktria), commemorative issue struck for Alexander the Great.
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Astonishingly, first set of silver Eucratides Tetradrachms look genuine, the portraits are very attractive and show no evidence of casting. The ones without the black deposits are worth $900 each at the very least if they prove to be genuine. I would take them to an expert to confirm.

The lone silver coin that you posted, is like bob said a coin of Agathokles commentating Alexander the Great. However it is a Cast fake which is worthless

The very last tiny coin is called a jital. It is undoubtedly real, as the billion jitals are too cheap to make fakes of.
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I agree the first set of Eucratides do appear to be genuine and a do have considerable value.

The second coin is no doubt a fake.

The Jital was struck in the region of Afghanistan and is worth only a few dollars.

I have never seen a written document written in cuneiform, if genuine it would be very valuable. I agree with Ben to send images to the BM and the Museum of Natural History in NY for verification.
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'Tis remarkable to see such detailed responses with such depth I had not expected when I posted here on a whim. Thank you greatly for entertaining the analysis of these pieces. Her father lives in a small village near the capital of Afghanistan, and these pieces were found with a mummy discovered during a building project. He wants to sell them potentially, but I think I might offer him a generous amount to hold on to them for my children's children when I visit. I will ask him for better pictures the next time we have conversation as some of the pictures are out of focus and not well lit. There were a few other things found along with this time capsule that may give more insight but who knows. Thank you again for being amazing people in a community that entertains and celebrates the antiquity of history seldom seen on internet forums.
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The billon jital (5th photo down) appears to be a bull and horseman type.
There are many varieties of these, and some threads about them on coin discussions, for example at

http://goccf.com/t/267786

I would echo caution about the coins in the first two photos, for the simple fact that they show little wear and Indo-Greek coins have been widely counterfeited.
If they are authentic they will be very valuable, so I would check them out thoroughly.
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