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Valued Member
Canada
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Hi all, I received this denarius in a large lot from a reputable dealer. For some reason the obverse legend looks a bit too perfect and the coin itself is perfectly centered (maybe a red flag?). No sign of casting bubbles and the outer "beads" show some evidence of striking. I'm not liking the metal build-up on the emperors cape on the reverse. It just seems off and I'm having a hard time finding a match with the fake coin reports. The specs seem right?.... 3.07g - Weight seems fine 19mm If anybody is noticing something I'm not seeing please let me know. I want to make sure before I list it in my ebay store. thanks for your help.   
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: obverse legend looks a bit too perfect and the coin itself is perfectly centered (maybe a red flag?) Fields are quite flat too - perhaps pressed/machine struck? Perhaps your coin is fine, NST...but I share some concerns. I know the obverse doesn't match the condemned coin at the link below (assuming that link works), but the reverse seems very close (allowing for differences in the perspective of your photo with the linked one). I note the similar lettering/spacing and, particularly, the pattern of the dots in the border above the "VIIC" at the top. Think the reverse is a match? http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.asp...VWVJDFpWMGQ=Edit: I just looked at the RIC 231 on the Septimius Severus page at Wildwinds, and I note a similar reverse. Assuming that coin at WW is legit and the one at ForgeryNetwork is indeed fake, it could be that modern dies were created from a kosher specimen - perhaps through spark or chemical erosion, accounting for the match. So it may well be that my comment above, about the possible reverse match to a fake, may not be conclusive of anything. Still, the flat fields do give me some pause. The Roman experts here will, I'm sure, have more meaningful contributions.
Edited by Kamnaskires 03/03/2019 12:58 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The obverse does have rather a "modern" look to it. I went down more or less the same road as Bob L. It does seem to correspond to RIC 231. For comparison, here's Wildwinds' image of the type:  I can't confidently make a call one way or the other.
Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss 03/03/2019 1:21 pm
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Valued Member
 Canada
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Thanks for the response Bob!
I completely agree with your comment, especially the fields being too flat! the link you provided is quiteeee similar..
I can't believe I didn't notice it was a match with RIC231 nor did I include the reference in my initial post, I do apologize! I must of looked at the picture from RIC 231 50 times hahaha
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Valued Member
 Canada
204 Posts |
Thanks Lucky Cuss for the response!
I do feel the same way. I Cant believe I didn't notice the reverse match to RIC 231 lol
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Its got 'the look' of a modern fake, a common finish that brings out the details and appears on many forgeries (and legitimate 'reproductions'!), but seems to never appear on unquestionably ancient pieces. That gut feeling you have about it was right on the money, in my opinion - one for the black cabinet.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Its got 'the look' of a modern fake, a common finish 
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Moderator
 United States
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I would agree with the comments above, not a genuine coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2100 Posts |
The reverse die occurs in silver and gold and has been noted as being used in fakes since the 1970s. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I get the feeling the "authors" of these forgeries are taunting us with their talent But the details are too splendid and the surfaces too fresh not to be suspicious But what can be written in prose can also be styled in crude limericks Its become difficult not to have doubts about all but the surest finds Like the fellow who after he sold me around 75 tetrarchy folles and finished off by trying to sell me the bronze pot he found them in ! Of those my doubts are none ! But healthy skepticism is an essential part of collecting today The term "rare" being the reddest flag of all to me
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