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1741 Coin. Need Help Identifying.

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*** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. Previously posted in US Modern Variety and Error Coins. ***

No clue where this country is from any ideas...and value
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 Posted 03/10/2019  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CJ1405 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Believe that's a Spanish dollar
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Thanks any value to this that u would know?
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8 Reales, Spain. Watch for replicas. Had to search it up so don't take my word for it. Thanks, Doug.

Composition: 91.7% silver.
Weight: 27.7 grams.
Diameter: 40 mm.

Add: Might move topic to the foreign coin forum.
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Wow thanks
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I got this from a lady that had them for years she didn't know wht they were.
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Halo 1st.
If u dont mind me asking what link did u find this info fom?
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Quote:
If u dont mind me asking what link did u find this info fom?

I thought about adding it earlier, but some of the side ad's made me think twice. I'm sure the members here have more links to share. Thanks, Doug.

http://www.coindatabase.com/coin_de...?cdb=H203008

Adding a simple google search, sort by images and many examples came up. I just picked the first one that seemed to match. Suggestion always pay attention to links before randomly clicking. You can easily find yourself on the dark side of the web.
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The symbol M with small o above it is the mintmark from Mexico City from the Spanish colony of New Spain. However, your photographs are too small to tell if this is a replica or possibly genuine. I'm thinking it's a replica due to the bright appearance and what I can see of the rim. What does the edge look like? Can you provide an accurate weight?
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How can I if I cant take it out of the casing...and I'll post better pic...jgenn
And thanks for the link halo 1st
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Hope this help...it looks like it has light wear to it. Thanks for your help.
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The casing it is in looks like an "airtight" and can be opened. Along the edge there should be a slight indentation where you can insert the tip if a knife or screwdriver to pry the two pieces apart.
The coin appears to be a fake to me, but need better, clearer pictures to tell. 1741 counterfeits are very common. Your coin appears to have a smooth raised rim around the entire coin, that is a bad sign. It should have struck denticles that extend from the edge of the fields to the edge of the coin.
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Thanks...I'll try it and post new pics
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Here is one to compare it to.

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Based on the pictures of the coin in the airtight holder, I can state without any doubt that the coin is a numismatic forgery - a replica made after 1950. Forgeries of pillar dollars are very common and 1741 is a very often copied date.

My opinion is based on the fact that the dentils do not run all the way to the edge. See area circled in red.
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This NEVER happens on genuine pillar dollars because they were struck in an open sided screw press and were made using dies that had a face diameter far larger than the diameter of the planchet. See the pictures posted by jfransch of a genuine 1741 8 reales. The difference is readily apparent.

As a Numismatic Forgery the coin is nearly worthless.
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76electrician,
Instead of posting multiple one line replies, please read this CCF FAQ about combining your posts the next time:
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