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1964 Kennedy Half Uncirculated Roll All With Harsh Polish Lines

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 Posted 03/17/2019  1:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ccobb to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Very few dings or bag marks, I was just wondering how badly the polish lines affect the grade. Thank you. All coins in this roll look like this!
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These aren't die polishing lines, the coin itself was polished post-mint. It would give it a details grade.
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At first I though this was a mint issue, but after looking more into it. The affected area is not just the fields. The raised devices seem to be affected as well. So I'm thinking this is coin polishing, not die scratches.
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Those are not polish marks. They are marks from a severe cleaning.
Polish marks would only be in the fields, not over the whole coin.
Look at the other coins and see if the marks are in the same position
which they would be if the die was polished.
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 Posted 03/17/2019  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Must agree. These are now simply junk silver, or coins worth only their bullion content.
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 Posted 03/17/2019  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ccobb, I agree with the others that these seem to be polishing of the coin itself, but am intrigued that other coins from the roll have the same patterning. Can you please post a couple other examples with these marks? Thx.
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It's been harshly cleaned. It's now junk Silver and is only worth melt value.
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Regrettably, if all the coins in the roll are like this then someone has harshly cleaned these coins to give them a shine. Even possibly to pass them off as uncirculated.
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Thank you all! and yes I see what you mean, Kennedy's face is scratched on most of these. How did I get so lucky LOL. But it was a good lesson for me, now I know to research die making/polishing. I had no idea that only the fields are affected in die polishing. I'm just learning as I go, learn something new everyday. and @Spence yes, I managed to find about twenty of these scratched coins, I had already put them in the sorting bins but they were on top and not too hard to find. My husband is very ill but Ill take pics and post them soon. Thank you for your interest!
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I hope you didn't pay a fortune for roll. If you did, then you got ripped off.
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Looks like they were cleaned. PMD.

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There are a lot of doubled dies that year to look for. (Even though they are messed up a bit)
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 Posted 03/26/2019  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ccobb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Spence sorry for the delay but I picked out some of the worst ones to show you! And @JimmyD you stated that polish marks would only be in the fields and that is true for these coins. I know it doesn't apply here but I did find an article by Wexler stating that proof dies in general were cleaned after about every 1000 coins and that the incused design was polished with a wire brush leaving fine impressions on those areas. But there were no pictures of such in the article.
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 Posted 03/26/2019  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are NOT proof coins.
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@Errers and Varietys. I don't see where anyone ever mentioned that they were proof coins?
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@ccobb, thanks for posting a bunch of them so that we can compare the scratches. What I was trying to understand by having you post several of them was whether the pattern of scratches was truly identical from one coin to the next. While they are all scratched, the scratches are not identical and therefore the best explanation is damage.

I agree that someone went over these with a wire brush or abrasive clearer, perhaps trying to make them "shiny".
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