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1960 Franklin Half DDO Question - WDDO-001 Or DDO-003?

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I'm looking through my Franklins and found a doubled obverse. This is my first foray into this territory. I think I have identified it on two sites, Wexler and Variety Vista. They list them as different attributions, but both reference FS-101, so I guess they are the same thing. What exactly does FS-101 refer to?

See if you agree with my assessment.

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I say it might be. Some close ups of the areas of your coin on Mr. Wexlers site would be very helpful. It's tough to tell from the provided pictures. FS-101 is the listing number for the CherryPickers Guide.

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But the FS-101 is a proof half dollar.
http://www.varietyvista.com/11%20Fr...0PDDO003.htm

From the images provided, I can't see what you are looking at. In order to determine the variety, we need images similar to the Variety Vista site to see what is on the coin.
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Oh Mr. Coop I didn't even realize that! thanks for the correction.

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Much closer pictures will be needed.
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My apologies, I was being lazy last night. I was working off images I had taken previously and hoped that would be detailed enough. I would say this is an impaired proof.

I am having some difficulty with lighting on these, but I think it will show adequately enough.

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This whole errors and varieties thing is new to me, so I didn't realize there was such a thing as a CherryPickers Guide. I'll have to look into picking one up.
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Note only the edges are affected. Looks like a case of slight Machine Doubling. No devices were enlarged, just altered.
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Nice DDO, It is FS-101
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Machine doubled. I have a 67 Kennedy half where the reverse lettering looks almost exactly like the lettering on the obverse of you coin.
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Jadey's last set of coin images is Wexler's coin 1960 50c WDDO-001
http://doubleddie.com/2289558.html

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1960 50¢ Pr WDDO-001 "Best Of" Variety
Description: A strong CCW spread from a pivot at about 7:00 shows on LIBERTY, IGWT, and the date.
Die Markers: Obverse: None noted. Reverse: None noted.
Cross References: CONECA: 3-O-V, Cherrypickers: FS-50-1960-101 (012), Flynn: DDO-001


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Thanks for double checking Coop. I was very surprised by your original response, and was about ready to throw in the towel concerning distinguishing between MD and Doubled Dies. I've read your thread on Machine Doubling and seen some of your "work it boy" video on Doubled Dies. After looking at your MD thread, I had come to understand that MD tends to exhibit a shelf closer to the fields, whereas doubling would exhibit a shelf closer to the top of the devices (in the more subtle examples anyway).

I always hear that devices will be enlarged with doubling, but I don't really understand what that means. Do you happen to have a thread dedicated to differentiating between the two? This is the only image I've seen where you compare the two. (It appears to me that the bottom coin has both MD and DD). When I look at the image, I see the footprints of the devices to be the same. I overlayed two identical red rectangles in photoshop on your image, and I find that they measure the same.

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On the example above, not the MD reduced the size of the devices. On the full image you see where the area you cut out is showing the spread (enlarging) on the devices on the right side of the same image:
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Depending on how the doubling happens when the die is created, there can be one side of the devices being stronger than the other side. But on the lower image you can see the spread stronger on the right side of the devices.
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