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wwhitman Pillar of the Community United States 1415 Posts	Posted 08/16/2008 2:03 pm Here is another bronze. 26mm in diameter. The obverse seems to be double stuck. Man's head doubled north and south. Or am I off base as usual Image: Roman13_Obv.jpg 68.93 KB Image: Roman13_Rev.jpg 73.18 KB Report this Post to the Staff

Sir Ferrari Pillar of the Community United States 671 Posts	Posted 08/16/2008 2:10 pm It's definitely provincial -- definitely not my area of expertise. Most, if not all of the confronting busts were made only for the provinces -- this one looks it is from the Severan period. Report this Post to the Staff
Sir Ferrari Pillar of the Community United States 671 Posts	Posted 08/16/2008 2:13 pm May I ask where you are getting all these coins? Report this Post to the Staff
wwhitman Pillar of the Community United States 1415 Posts	Posted 08/16/2008 2:22 pm Sadly from my uncle's estate. He passed away awhile back and these were given to me (as I was the only one in family that collects). But this is not my area. I collect mainly in the 1800's. Report this Post to the Staff
Sir Ferrari Pillar of the Community United States 671 Posts	Posted 08/16/2008 2:28 pm I am sorry about your uncle -- at least his collection is in good hands. Report this Post to the Staff
wwhitman Pillar of the Community United States 1415 Posts	Posted 08/16/2008 2:30 pm Good hands - no brains thou Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2893 Posts	Posted 08/16/2008 4:17 pm This is a 5 assaria coin from Marcianopolis in Moesia Inferior showing Elagabalus and Julia Maesa on the ovbverse and a bust of Serapis wearing a kalathos on the reverse A reference is either Varbanov 1648 or 1649 and I think it is 1649. Malcolm My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Edited by Bacchus2 08/16/2008 4:36 pm Report this Post to the Staff
wwhitman Pillar of the Community United States 1415 Posts	Posted 08/16/2008 7:49 pm Bacchus2, I found this reference using your information: I have attached a pic which is pretty close. I could not find references to 1649 thou. THANX Obverse: Avt k m avp antVneinoc avG ioyLia maica avG (AVT K M AVP ANTwNEINOC AVg IOYLIA MAICA AVg) laureate bust of Elagabalus facing diademed & draped bust of Julia Maesa. Reverse:vP i8L ant ceLevkov mapkianoPoLit Vn (Vp I8L ANT CELEVKOV MAPKIANOpOLIT wN). The A and P on the reverse legend are shown as ligature (wikipedia). Bust of Serapis right, wearing kalathos (a basket made of reeds); E in field to left. It was minted under Legate (Governor) Julius Antonius Seleucus between 218 and 222 AD. The diameter is 28.5mm and is 13.82g, die axis 45 deg. Reference: Moush-668, Zhekov/Jekov 6.28.6.1 (R7), Varbanov 1647 (R4) - 1648 (R3) with 1648's obverse legend ending in an O, Not in BMC III Thrace. Image: ELAGABAL-95-large.jpg 24.77 KB Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2893 Posts	Posted 08/17/2008 4:18 pm The only difference between 1648 and 1649 is the obverse legend. 1649 = AVT K M AVP ANTwNEINOC AVg IOYLIA MAICA AVgOYC I hope this helps MAlcolm My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
Archraz Pillar of the Community United States 3499 Posts	Posted 08/19/2008 12:09 am I have a major question about this coin. What is the deal with the hold in the head on the obverse. A dealer who I know has TONS of ancients with similar holes carved into the busts. why was this done to them as they circulated? Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16869 Posts	Posted 08/19/2008 03:47 am Quote: I have a major question about this coin. What is the deal with the hold in the head on the obverse. A dealer who I know has TONS of ancients with similar holes carved into the busts. why was this done to them as they circulated? It's not a "real hole" - it doesn't go all the way through the coin, even though it appears to be in the same place on both sides of the coin - Julia's chin cops it on the reverse. These "dimples" are known as centration marks, and they can be found on bronze coins from many different series of ancient coins; Ptolemaic Egypt and Roman Bulgaria are two places and times where the marks appear very frequently on coins. We do know that these marks weren't applied to the coin after it was struck, or after they had been in circulation. They were applied to the blank before the coin was struck; the act of striking the coin was supposed to obliterate the marks, but either there wasn't enough pressure from the hammer blow or the blank had cooled too quickly to allow the metal to flow in and refill the holes. But as far as I'm aware, there's still no consensus on exactly why the marks were placed there, nor why they're more common on some series than on others. The leading theories I've heard are: - They come from the tongs used to pick up the coin blank and hold it in the furnace to soften it prior to striking. - They come from screws used to hold the planchet in place while it was turned and smoothed on some kind of lathe-like apparatus. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2893 Posts	Posted 08/19/2008 12:51 pm Sap is right in that nobody KNOWS why these are here but the general consensus is the second reason listed above. There are coins where obvious lathe like marks are preserved after the striking process (and this centration dimple is also perfectly preserved) and as they are only really present in large diameter coins it is thought that the coins were placed in this apparatus to improve the circular nature of the blank. Malcolm My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
Bonedigger Pillar of the Community United States 1267 Posts	Posted 08/19/2008 1:04 pm Some ancient Indian Rupees have similar punches too. Report this Post to the Staff
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