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Actually if it bothers you that much, just get rid of it.
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 Do not spend to much time in thought on this one. |
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Baseball21: there should be a little concern about it though. I'm sure others are out there that bought coins from this shop. They haven't gotten them graded yet. Maybe sitting on them like I was. That's different though than what you had said earlier about sneaking them past the grading companies. I'm not condoning it but that is less detrimental to the market and unfortunately happens every day with raw coins. Quote:
Like I said, I'd be happy if it said AU60 on the slab. But to say "cleaned" and that's it, is kind of a bummer. There's not actual grade of AU 60. It would be MS 60, and the lower tier TPGs that put a grade on details coins call anything that is uncirculated details MS 60 details and would say cleaned as well. It makes no difference whether or not the MS 60 cleaned is there or uncirculated cleaned is there, if anything uncirculated if more flattering than MS 60. I used to be a big fan of the numbers details grading, but the more I've thought about it the more I am against it at this point. Is a AU 58 cleaned worth more than an AU 50 cleaned absolutely, but to say 58 vs 50 you have to ignore a lot of grading factors and go just by wear. Enjoy your dad's gift and just realize you can't save everyone from scammers. All you can do is share experiences and knowledge and if people want to go it on their own with raw coins and things of that nature that's their choice |
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There really isn't anything I can say that hasn't been said, but I want to reiterate a couple points for "grand scheme" viewpoint. From TNG: Quote:
If it bothers you that much, bust it back out of the graded PCGS holder.
While you have it out, study the surfaces of the coin under high magnification and excellent lighting to see the evidence of cleaning. Learn why they assigned the designation and then put it in a coin capsule for safekeeping.
I agree, it's still a nice sentimental gift. From basebal21: Quote:
Enjoy your dad's gift and just realize you can't save everyone from scammers. All you can do is share experiences and knowledge and if people want to go it on their own with raw coins and things of that nature that's their choice That pretty much sums it up for me.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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All I can say is;buyer beware and buyer be educated in coin grades. In the future post coins here on CCF before you send them in for slabbing to see if it is worth the trouble. John1  |
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There is a coin shop near me that has been selling cleaned coins for a long time. If they sell, nothing you can do about it.
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TNG: After spending the amount of money on it. I'll keep it as is. If it bugs me over time. I'll break it out and send it to NGC and see what they say. Or send it back to PCGS.
Ever buy a coin from littleton coin shop? The coin looks like their coins they sell. It had the sheen to it that just seems off. I won't buy from them anymore either.
John1: I actually posted pictures on here of it awhile back, asking what people thought. People said to get it graded. It's a nice coin and was worth getting graded. Now I know.
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It might be a 64, or 65, but PCGS will only say UNC Details if cleaned. Looking forward to the photos.
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As far as spending money on grading coins, I took about 30 or so submissions to a coin show last year when ANACS had a special discount and a rep/courier at the show. I think it averaged about $11.50 per coin including shipping. Some disappointments and some better than expected. I did not agree with quite a few, especially the ones I got details, damage and cleaned results. It was easy to accept and be happy about the ones that came back better than expected.  Here's a link to that whole experience that I posted about. http://goccf.com/t/325468 I will be doing more submissions than last year when I go to our coin show this summer. ANACS is coming back. |
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John1: I actually posted pictures on here of it awhile back, asking what people thought. People said to get it graded. It's a nice coin and was worth getting graded. Now I know. Actually I went back and found that post and the consensus was it was a nice coin but not worth grading. It doesn't look cleaned to me based on your prior pictures. Sometimes PCGS sees something that's maybe there or maybe not. Maybe they think something was done in the past to minimize the small spots on the coin - i.e., a "spot" cleaning? Regardless, it's just an opinion; an opinion from an authority with a lot of experience, but still an opinion. Here's the original pictures and thread: http://goccf.com/t/297515 |
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In the original thread it's tough to see all of the surfaces due to the glare on the mylar, but I agree I don't see any evidence there of cleaning. Maybe the right field in the second photo shows some evidence, maybe not. Probably best to inspect in hand
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The big grading companies will err on the side of caution if you are a regular schmuck submitter. If there is the slightest doubt that the coin shows any sign of possibly being cleaned you will receive a Details coin.
On the other hand, if you are large submitter your volume submissions grease the wheels and you may get a pass on a coin that might be marginal.
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The big grading companies will err on the side of caution if you are a regular schmuck submitter. If there is the slightest doubt that the coin shows any sign of possibly being cleaned you will receive a Details coin.
On the other hand, if you are large submitter your volume submissions grease the wheels and you may get a pass on a coin that might be marginal.
This is nothing but a rumor and it's false. The big boys get faster service, cheaper rates, special labels, but THEY DO NOT get easier grading Edited by basebal21
03/24/2019 7:32 pm
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Basebal21...
Which one do you work for?
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Basebal21...
Which one do you work for? None. I have real world experience. Saying bigger submitters get better grades is often what is said when someone things their coins should have graded better |
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