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1945 S LWC Strike Through Or Lamination?

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The bottom end of the mark shows signs of delamination, but I'm not sure if that's the source of the error or if the delamination was started by the error.

The lines on the area are neat and clean, unlike a lot of lamination problems and that 60 degree turn is also unusual.

Any thoughts?

Thanks for your time,

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1945-S-LWC--Strike-Through-Or-Lamination?
1945-S-LWC--Strike-Through-Or-Lamination?
1945-S-LWC--Strike-Through-Or-Lamination?
1945-S-LWC--Strike-Through-Or-Lamination?
1945-S-LWC--Strike-Through-Or-Lamination?
1945-S-LWC--Strike-Through-Or-Lamination?
1945-S-LWC--Strike-Through-Or-Lamination?
1945-S-LWC--Strike-Through-Or-Lamination?
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Lamination.
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that 60 degree turn is also unusual.


I agree--I can't recall seeing a lam that changed directions so neatly. I know that @E&V already weighed in, but I'm interested to hear what @coop says too. I see the slight lamination at the E in UNITED, but otherwise, this looks like a strike through to me. For sure save this guy in a 2x2.
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It looks to be a bit of both a struck through and lam at the same time.
The planchet had a retained lam that had angled off before the strike. You can see a slight "woodie" color change where it had been , on the struck coin.
This retained lam was struck through as the coin was struck.
After the strike, this part of the lam and more fell out to leave the coin as it is now.
Very cool find !
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Nice one. I agree these are usually considered laminations from improper alloy mixing. There appears to be remnants of a "woody" continuing in a straight line where the lamination starts the bend at the top.

At the base of the lamination, it looks like it remained and continues to the base of the F (OF)

EDIT: Stoneman and I were typing at the same time with similar ideas. I changed my thoughts after noticing the "woody" continuing to the north.
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I lean toward a strike through given the angle and sharp symmetry of the lines.
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I agree a struck through something rather than a lamination. Lamination issues tend to be in a straight line. This looks like it was folded over like paper.
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I'm with the struck through gang on this one.
The edges seem pretty straight and smooth for a delam
plus I have never seen one that takes a curve like that.
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Looks struck through to me. Save in a 2x2 for sure!

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Wouldn't that North East ghost extension indicate the item was stuck on the die rather that the planchet. As the die pulled away from a PREVIOUS strike the shim stock, or whatever it is, loosed from the die and folded to leave the heavy appearing angle strike. What ever caused the effect appears to me that it was metallic and left a mark on the die. If indeed it was stuck on the die, there most likely are several more of a very similar pattern.
Struck through, about my favorite error. Yours is nice.

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Thanks very much for your input everyone!

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I was asked to chime in on this one. I agree with the majority that this is primarily a lamination error. The thin strip of metal lifted up at its northern end prior to the strike, bent to the left, and was struck into the coin. Then the whole thing fell out after the strike. Continuity with a lamination crack at its southern end and a lighter-colored strip at its northern end confirm that this impression was left by a delaminated strip of metal that fell away after the strike.
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Mike Diamond says it's a Lamination error. I was correct.
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Mike Diamond says it's a Lamination error. I was correct.

Congrats EV. This one was definitely tougher than normal.
(I finally got one right also.)
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