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Pillar of the Community
United States
1005 Posts |
Just out of curiosity, I'd like to get second opinions on whether you think this large cent is authentic or not: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1804-Drape...AOSwuFZcpZQwFor this date I would not buy raw, but this coin in particular looks strange. A combination of rough corroded pitted surfaces (perhaps to disguise a fake?) and the bright exposed new copper on the high points indicating very recent cleaning/abrasion make me very suspicious. I don't recall if porous planchets were a big issue for this date - I don't think so, but this certainly looks like either a bad case of environmental damage that was recently made worse by cleaning, or a fake that was corroded and tumbled/sanded to disguise cast surfaces. Other coins from the seller are problem coins, cleaned, AT, etc. What you you think? |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
8938 Posts |
Probably real, just from a problem slab that was cracked
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Valued Member
New Zealand
148 Posts |
I think the mere fact that the coin is not slabbed is a huge warning sign. The seller would certainly get more for the coin if it has been certified... With that said, I can't see anything that would definitively point to the coin being a fake - unless one considers the wear on the obverse (less) to be mismatched with the wear on the reverse (more).
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7375 Posts |
There's no Cud over the LIBE(RTY) and I wouldn't touch it unless the seller gives time to send it out to guarantee authentic. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4692 Posts |
Even if it is, it is pretty bad condition. In my opinion, not worth the money to send to TPG either. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7375 Posts |
Imo, it's F details, a rare coin, and at least worth $500. In any event, I contacted the seller and they said they WOULD NOT allow time for TPG grading, and that it was in an SEGS holder that they cracked to take pics....hahaha lol. I won't be bidding. Let's see where it ends up. Edited by edweather
04/06/2019 5:46 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1005 Posts |
I think it's a fake. Too many things don't add up now and cracking it "to take pics" and not even including the cracked slab in the photos if that were true. Thanks for following up with the seller on it. As for being worth sending to a TPG, for this coin I'd say it's required. If real it would be worth so much more than the minimum value threshold to make it worth it, and without authentication it's worth very little since this has recently been messed with. |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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The question asked is reasonable enough. The answers so far have given at least some support to your doubts. That is reasonable enough also. For my opinion, I can see that there is great possibility that it could be fake and acid etched to erase all of the markers that would indicate 'fake'. Without being able to check for these, you are then left with the possibility that it could indeed be genuine. Even if this coin is genuine, you would have done well enough, if you leave this one well enough alone. Would I have bought it? Yes, but only on the basis that I think it if a fake. Therefore my chances of buying it would be very low, because there are others out there that would be prepared to take the risk at a far higher price. Even so, and I did buy it, I would never have been completely happy to own it. This one should be hard for a TPG'er to authenticate and slab. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
789 Posts |
Ask the seller how much it weighs.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Got to be slabbed for that amount of money.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7375 Posts |
Could be an 1801   |
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Valued Member
New Zealand
148 Posts |
Can't be an 1801. The large fraction alone precludes that.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
17884 Posts |
The obv and reverse dies are right for 1804.
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Valued Member
United States
416 Posts |
Hi all, from the same seller, I am interested in this coin - https://www.ebay.com/itm/1794-Liber...173861706439But now worried it too might be fake. It looks awfully ... silver. Aren't these supposed to be old copper? Also weird wear, suspiciously sharp date. Auction ends in 2.5 hours so any opinions most welcome. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1005 Posts |
I saw that one too and honestly can't say - I think it looks a lot better (more authentic) than the 1804. I would not be worried about the silver color I think that's just the photography glare. The pockmarked surfaces could either be indicative of a porous planchet (are these prevalent in 1794s?) or casting bubbles from a fake. But my general impression is that one's real
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Valued Member
United States
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Thank you for the quick reply! Other things - what's that giant blob above the A in America? Why is AMERICA worn flat as a pancake, while STATES towers high & dry, like just randomly wouldn't they wear roughly equally? Stuff like that. Oh the dilemma of being a newb.
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