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 Posted 08/20/2008  10:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Texas collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm thinking about "investing" in coins, but I don't know where to start. I'd like to buy several of a certain coin, hold them for awhile, and sell them. It could be for the metal value, like silver, or just the value of the coin as a collectible. Does anyone know of a type of coin that increases in value quickly? Does anyone here do this (buy coins to sell them)? Right now I have a little of everything, but I've never actually sold a single coin. I'm a business major, so I'm becoming interested in the selling side of coins. Can anyone help a confused coin collector?

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 Posted 08/20/2008  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clembo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
See this thread:

https://goccf.com/t/34477

Of course these are opinions. I get questions like this at the shop a lot and my reply is always "if I knew I wouldn't be here".

Hobby first, investment second. That's my real advice.
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 Posted 08/20/2008  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Texas collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm really just planning now, getting ideas. Right now I'm only collecting and enjoying the hobby.
I'm going to check that thread out now, it may take 30 minutes; my connection is super slow.
Thanks, clembo.
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 Posted 08/20/2008  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bqcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coins are not a great investment tool, unless you bought lots of gold in 2002.
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 Posted 08/21/2008  03:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Elimist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm fairly new to coin collecting myself, under a year of collecting, but I've learned a lot since I started collecting and a lot of my current knowledge came from right here on the forums. We probably have plenty of people here that use coins as a form of investment and profit, and have been in the business long enough to learn how to actually use the coin market to make money, so your best advice is going to come from them (I think a guy here named nohope does a lot of buillion and rare coin trading, maybe look him up). So what I'm going to tell you is strictly my opinion and shouldn't be taken as a tried and tested theory.

Basically, it still boils down to get into coin collecting for the hobby. You may sell a coin or two, you may even get a few bucks on a sale every once in awile, but do not expect to make money as a private collector.

Coins really don't have a good reputaion for appreciating well, in my humble opinion. The only coins that really rise in price dramtically are key dates and buillion coins if you buy into the market at the right time and sell at the right time. But you can go into any coin shop and buy a 130 year old Morgan dollar for under 20 dollars. You can buy a 130 year old Indian Head cent for 3 dollars. Just because its old and just because a lot of people don't know about it doesn't mean its worth a lot of money.

Now, with that said, coins do hold a value well. And they do appreciate over time even though it could be decades. So coins are not going to be like baseball cards/pokemon cards/beanie babies/furbies/tickle-me-elmos/ect. and go down in price after you buy them or after the fad's over. Your three dollar coin is not going to be worth one dollar ten years from now, with exception to some sort of catastrophic loss of demand.

So if you really want to invest in coins you have to have a lot of money to begin with and really take some risks. Buy up high grade key dates and semi keys. Buy up bulk silver/gold/platinum when prices are low and sell when its high. Research sleeper coins and market trends to try to figure out whats going to be hot and when.

Overall, it you want a for sure investment with less stress and work involved. I'd reconmend just good old fasioned stocks and bonds.
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08/21/2008 03:45 am
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 Posted 08/21/2008  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like any investment you make your money when you buy, not when you sell. Buying at market price & hoping for appreciation is speculating. In the case of coins that means using your knowledge of coins to cherry pick varieties from dealers, or buying at antique shops or pawnshops that may not know the true value of the coin. Unless you are willing to spend a LOT of time educating yourself you might as well enjoy the hobby without worrying about making a profit. That's what I do.
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 Posted 08/21/2008  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When it comes to coins, I am a collector and not an investor. The only opinion I have is that I feel coins are at best a long term play. The only way to make fast money is to take the advice of trdhrdr007 above; cherry pick a good deal that you can quickly flip for profit.
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 Posted 08/21/2008  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I echo wholeheartedly what Elimist said. A lot of wisdom there from a relatively new collector.

Mostly buy coins for the fun and hobby. If you truly want to do this soley for investing, you will have to do a LOT of research and be prepared to spend a LOT of money, because time has shown that the coins that appreciate the highest percentage per year are key dates followed by semi-key dates. And of course, these are pricey items. And some key dates may have just taken a 20% jump last year and then may stay stagnant for a few years. Also, some key dates ahve silver or gold content and could fall because of falling silver or gold prices. Most of the time, however, key dates do not decline in value from one year to the next. But do they outperform the stock market (10-15% gain per year on average)? That is tough to say. There may be a handful of key dates that outperform the stock market, but I don't know which ones, and possibly there aren't any. You'd have to thoroughly research this by examining price guides over 20-30 years on the key dates- past performance does not gurarantee future performance, but it is one of the best indicators. Now, would key date values outperform the measly 0.25% interest rate you are getting on your bank savings account (if you're getting that much)? Most likely, yes.

If you truly wish to invest in something, mutual funds and stock market have better long-term returns on your money, in my opinion. But I always suggest people have diversified investments, and coins can be a part of one's investment portfolio, but do not make it a large percentage. Again in my opinion.
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 Posted 08/21/2008  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny pincher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only other way I can see it is if you a really good eBayer and know what you are doing. What I mean is: being able to buy at a very low price and then quickly resell at a a higher premium. If you can buy single coins at nothing and put them into a more desirable set, then you may have a better chance of selling them. Example: last year I bought a 4 pack of Large Cents someone had up for auction, I already owned 2 of them and three of them were very low grade, but the forth one was the keeper. I lucked out and bought the bunch at a very low price and now have three coins that I could resell later on. I figure that if I could put a set of ten different dates then I will have a better chance of selling them. But then again, I may loose money if no one wants them, like everything else it is just right place at the right time.
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 Posted 08/21/2008  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if you ask do I have an investment in my coins the answer would be yes , monetary and time invested much more time that money but still an investment .

did I get into coins with the mind set of investing time and money for profit the answer is a resounding no .

investment for profit is a whole different and opposed view point to that of a collector .

collectors have a desire to own history and beauty investors do not find that quality in the coins when they look at the coin they see a profit margin and commodity which has a bunch of people pursuing the ownership of that commodity .

its that simple if you see coins as history ,beauty and a source of pride then you are a collector and the closer you can stay to those values the happier you will be and the less burnout you will encounter .

if you see coins as a means to an end which is profit then be prepared to either be eaten or to eat another because that is the life of a coin investor and profit taker or loser as the case may be .
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 Posted 08/21/2008  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Educate yourself...pure and simple. Find a series you really are interested in and learn everything you can about it. Look at things like mintages, surviving populations, auction figures, current publications on it (if there is much), etc. Keep in mind, that in most cases what you'd be doing is speculating. I do consider myself a collector/investor, but I've very, very particular in what I buy and what I pay. You might hope that a particular coin/series goes up in value but reality can hit you square between the eyes on this one. The coin market is relatively efficient and supply versus demand is pretty well already absorbed in current pricing. Just love what you buy and be prepared to deal with the future might bring. And, of course, read everything you can about the subject.
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All of these wise lucid remarks should be etched onto a plaque and put into a frame as.......

THE COMMANDMENTS OF A NUMISMATISIST
........................... OR ..............................
THE COMMANDMENTS OF A COIN COLLECTOR


wikipedia definitionS......

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[edit] Numismatists
The term numismatist applies to collectors and coin dealers as well scholars using coins as source or studying coins.

The first group chiefly derive pleasure from the simple ownership of monetary devices and studying these coins as private amateur scholars. In the classical field amateur collector studies have achieved quite remarkable progress in the field. Examples are Walter Breen, a well-known example of a noted numismatist who was not an avid collector, and King Farouk I of Egypt was an avid collector who had very little interest in numismatics. Harry Bass by comparison was a noted collector who was also a numismatist.

The second group are the coin dealers. These often called professional numismatists authenticate or grade coins for commercial purposes. The buying and selling of coin collections by numismatists who are professional dealers advances the study of money, and expert numismatists are consulted by historians, museum curators, and archaeologists.

The third category are scholar numismatists working in public collections, universities or as independent scholars acquiring knowledge about monetary devices, their systems, their economy and their historical context. Coins are especially relevant as source in the pre-modern period.


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Coin collecting is the collecting or trading of coins or other forms of legally minted currency. Frequently collected coins include those that were in circulation for only a brief time, coins minted with errors, or especially beautiful or historically interesting pieces. Coin collecting can be differentiated from numismatics in that the latter is the study of currency, though both are obviously closely related.
While hoarding coins due to their value goes back to the beginning of coinage, collecting coins as pieces of art was a later development. Known as the "Hobby of Kings", modern coin collecting is generally believed to have begun in the fourteenth century with the Italian scholar and poet Petrarch. Numismatics reached its apex during the late Middle Ages and the early Renaissance due to great demand. In this period, ancient coins were collected by many European Kings, Princes, and nobility. Some of the great collectors were Pope Boniface VIII, Emperor Maximilian of the Holy Roman Empire, Louis XIV of France, Ferdinand I, Elector Joachim II of Brandenburg, and Henry IV of France. Elector Joachim II of Bradenburg also started the Berlin coin cabinet.
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Don't be a confused collector! We are what we decide to be.
The only reason I ever buy a coin is to sell it! Maybe someday I will have the luxury of being a collector. Go to the shows and shop around. Find several examples of whatever you might wish to acquire and compare, compare, compare. Make an offer when you think you have found the best one. As far as a type of coin that increases in value quickly, well, all I would say is go with higher grades rather than lower ones.
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 Posted 08/21/2008  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Texas collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I mentioned before, I'm a collector right now. I may try some of those not-as-expensive "sleeper coins" from the other thread, though, and see what happens.
I got a good deal on my first 1950D Jefferson, $7.50 for vg, at a little antique store. Also, a lady who I work with, and who also collects, said she would give me a Flying Eagle cent, if she has an extra one. I don't have any of these, so I'm a little excited.
Thanks for all the advice everyone. This forum has helped me a lot, not only with great info and advice, but it encourages me to keep collecting and to have fun doing it.
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 Posted 08/22/2008  07:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you're not intent on being a coin dealer and doing this as a business, it takes a lot of time to make money at coin collecting. You have to wait for selling prices to surpass your original buying price, and for coins that had 20-50% markup to begin with this puts you way behind other types of investments.

There are a few cases where you can make money right away, but it requires a lot of luck and tremendous insight to speculate in commodity bullion coins at the right time, or to pick the sleeper coins just before they wake up. And to make any serious money you have to do it on a large scale. If I'd hung on to my $100 1889-cc morgan for 10 years I could have tripled my money, but that would only put $200 in my pocket. In order to make $20,000 I would have needed 100 of those 1889-cc's, and it would have taken considerable effort for me as a collector to find that many of them. Even if I'd been a dealer it's unlikely that I could count on getting that many in 10 years.

"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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 Posted 08/22/2008  07:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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And to make any serious money you have to do it on a large scale

So, is this what you're gonna do ?.......purchase thousands of dollars worth in "batches" ?
Making money at this hobby as a "short term" investment......esp. with "sleeper coins".....seems folly.
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