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I've had some success recently filling holes in my Poland collection with ebay purchases, so I keep poking around there. I ran across this coin, and was wondering why PCGS gave it "Genuine Not Gradeable." https://www.ebay.com/itm/1626-Grosz...AOSwRNRbGCuQOne of the zoomed photos shows what appear to be some abrasions obverse ... Is this the issue? It's a fairly common coin in medium grades, but often unevenly struck and/or offcenter (moreso than this one). Thanks for any insights. |
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I wonder if PCGS is staffed with people that have the same skills I have? Apart from the reasons they stipulate as to why a coin may not be graded, I'm curious if some of their "graders" are like me? Case in point: I had a few coins and I could not determine if some were genuine. So I bought more hoping to test, measure and sort it all out. It resulted in having several more coins in the mix that I could not correctly evaluate. So I even bought more and ended up with some obvious genuine, some obvious non-genuine and whole bunch more that were undetermined. Looking at the coin in question, perhaps they just don't know so they will not put it in print?
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04/21/2019 10:30 pm
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I wonder if PCGS is staffed with people that have the same skills I have? Apart from the reasons they stipulate as to why a coin may not be graded, I'm curious if some of their "graders" are like me? Case in point: I had a few coins and I could not determine if some were genuine. So I bought more hoping to test, measure and sort it all out. It resulted in having several more coins in the mix that I could not correctly evaluate. So I even bought more and ended up with some obvious genuine, some obvious non-genuine and whole bunch more that were undetermined. Looking at the coin in question, perhaps they just don't know so they will not put it in print? No. The submitter selected to have it graded that way. It may be a details coin the submitter didn't want attention drawn to or it may have been something that didn't reach a minimum grade or they may have just wanted it authenticated and nothing more. |
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"Occasionally, the experts at PCGS encounter coins which, for one reason or another, cannot be authenticated or graded. These "No Grade" coins fall into three categories: problem coins, inconclusive, or ineligible. "No Grades" in the first category will be placed in a PCGS Genuine capsule (except where noted)."
"A toned coin that is overly dark and unattractive is not going to get a ... Genuine Not Gradable will also be indicated on the reverse of the holder."
"Genuine Service. Coins with any of the problems listed above (except codes 83, 86, 90, 96, and 99) can be encapsulated in a Genuine-Not Gradable holder."
"PCGS Grading Standards
Code Reason Explanation
94 Altered Surfaces Any applied substance (wax, putty, lacquer).
95 Scratch(s)Large & prominent scratch(s).
97 Environmental Damage Corrosion, excessive toning, verdigris.
98 Damage Any metal movement.
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04/21/2019 10:33 pm
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No need to overthink this issue. If you check the cert on PCGS's site it states Genuine (97 - Environmental Damage). Edited by jgenn
04/21/2019 10:13 pm
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Occasionally, the experts at PCGS encounter coins which, for one reason or another, cannot be authenticated or graded. Completely different. If it's in a PCGS slab it's them saying it's authentic. |
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Hmm, that's a major redraft of your earlier response, Albert.
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04/21/2019 10:49 pm
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Thank you everyone, for the responses. Quote:
No need to overthink this issue.
If you check the cert on PCGS's site it states Genuine (97 - Environmental Damage). To me, this makes sense. There is some "damage" obverse that may have been a harsh cleaning on part of the coin. Many of this type have some planchet flaws, or dark marks on one side or both. I know that is not really "environmental" in the strict sense. |
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For a 400 year old coin it looks pretty nice. 97 - Environmental Damage does not appear to be severe.
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For a 400 year old coin it looks pretty nice. I agree. Though VF examples (European standards) with decent eye appeal sell at about $20, EF perhaps $50, so, in addition to my curiosity about the grade, it's a mystery to me why anyone would have gone to the trouble to submit it. Maybe in hopes of a straight AU or MS? |
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