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Broadstruck 1816 Canada Waterloo Half Penny Token ?

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 Posted 05/15/2019  9:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Interesting find. Anyone know how to tell if it's been double struck...what that is supposed to look like ? Hope I didn't over-do it on the number of photos but some show some detail inside the raised lip that looks like it has been imprinted on.
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 Posted 05/17/2019  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice, I like these early errors.

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 Posted 05/17/2019  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, same here. Finding them nice ones in higher grades is a task.
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 Posted 05/17/2019  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have looked at this NUMEROUS times. I do not believe that this is broad struck. The missing legends just end....no tapering etc.........Ken, you have it in hand. Is there any chance that it is a partial clip that delaminated? What are the marks in the "unstruck" area? MM
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 Posted 05/17/2019  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't understand how the top portion of the die didn't strike?
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 Posted 05/17/2019  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My point EXACTLY!
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 Posted 05/17/2019  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MM - I'm going to have to dig it out but here are bigger photos of that area. There seems to be some remnants of other lettering within the lettering that I pointed to with the arrows, also something that I can't quite make out on the inner raised portion.

Alan - Is it possible it did strike but faintly and over time & wear there's nothing left ?
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 Posted 05/17/2019  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Partial Indent strike? Please don't scold me, if I'm wrong. It's just a guess.
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Could the dies be misaligned, and that is edge of the collar, with a Rim Fin? I don't know enough about how these early coins were struck, to know if this is legit or not. The obverse certainly looks convincing...
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 Posted 05/17/2019  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know it this is significant but the diagonal reeding is evident all the way around. It isn't as sharp where the lip rises but it's there.

But something interesting...this is the 10-string harp variety. According to CoinsandCanada, it's supposed to weigh 4.5 grams whereas the 8-string weighs 5 grams. This one weighs 4.7 grams so it's Above it supposed weight strangely enough.
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SPP-Ottawa - A ' Rim Fin' as you put it, is another name for the raised lip ?
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 Posted 05/17/2019  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
missing area is too uniform to be indent strike I think. Dies appear aligned. The tapering is exactly how a clip should look. hmmmmm
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 Posted 05/19/2019  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it possible this is struck over an indent strike?
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@Alan - I don't know much about the strike process, can you elaborate...
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The portion of the coin was either sunken in before it was struck, or a piece of crescent moon shaped metal was sitting on the edge when it was struck. What's strangest about this one, never seen an indent strike where the indented portion is backwards. How would a coin lay over top and make the indent? Would have to have been a crescent moon shaped piece of metal?

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