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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I'll be interested to hear the outcome. It sounds to me that the buyer is claiming that you charged for expedited shipping, but sent it by slow boat. I can understand his complaint if that is the case.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I ship all of my ebay merchandise in recycled materials (except for plain envelopes and tape). That's nearly zero material cost to me. I then charge buyers about 15% above my postage cost to cover ebay and Paypal percentages. So, things I ship in a 50 cent first class envelope, I charge $0.59. If it requires hand stamping, I charge $0.79. When first class package is used, and costs me $2.64 postage, I charge $2.99. I have never had a feedback problem on shipping cost. I am a hobbyist, and do not think of my time as entering into this equation. Which helps, because no buyer on ebay thinks this way either (I certainly don;t when I buy on ebay). I offer international shipping and occasionally get international buyers, and also have never hand a complaint using this formula. I'm not surprised, though that there might be more feedback risk with international shipping. Hope it gets resolved with no further damage.
Edited by tdziemia 05/20/2019 4:58 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
659 Posts |
I am just a guy with a modest collection. When I post on ebay, I have no idea what my shipping cost will be. I just more or less charge what I see others charging. Again, though, if the buyer accepts the advertised shipping price he has no basis to complain! As for ebay taking 10% of the shipping cost, I don't send my items via ebay but they still take the 10% of the advertised shipping. This is so wrong!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote:"You can take back your coin, and pay for the return shipping which will be top notch and tracked with signature. You can incure the costs for this as you are Responsible 100% for your listing as a Seller as per ebay's seller guidlines. I want either an acceptible partial refund for the shipping costs or a total refund for the coin when shipped back to you including original shipping cost. " Once he messaged that he's done for. No need to reply to him anymore and go ahead and call ebay and report the buyer and make sure any return is blocked or he has to pay for it. Unfortunately if you're on ebay long enough you eventually run into these types.
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Valued Member
United States
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Quote:Unfortunately if you're on ebay long enough you eventually run into these types. Very true. One thing to point out is that it happens a lot less with coin transactions, which is a credit to the coin community. Now if you are selling iPhones.......you would see significantly more problems.
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
539 Posts |
So quick update, I have spoken to ebay Canada as they handle all returns purchased through their site. They have acknowledged the issues on the case and that it appears he has falsly lodged a claim. His file will be inviestigated for sanctions however they have processes in place to protect both parties and they cannot close the case until the buyer asks them to review it, the buyer closes it or it lapses in 21 days. So basically they have all my information on the case and I have to simply sit on my hands and wait to see what happens. AS I have had a couple of request for buyer details so that other members can avoid having to deal with this fraud I would suggest blocking Canadian buyer tae-ken-d0 guy obviously has issues and is willing to use ebay systems to his own personal advantage. I have no respect for people who make an agreement then change it when the other party fulfils their end
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: So basically they have all my information on the case and I have to simply sit on my hands and wait to see what happens. Yes and no. While essentially that is what you have to do keep an eye on it here and there and any updates you see that leaves any doubt contact ebay directly by phone until someone will help you. Don't necessarily just sit back and hope they get it right type thing You should be good though. And if it was through PayPal you have that option as well to report it and maybe give them a heads up
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Thanks for sharing your story and sorry you had (are having) to go through it. Looking at all the replies here, that's another benefit of CCF membersip...fantastic advice backed up by years of experience. 
Edited by CelticKnot 05/24/2019 11:08 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
539 Posts |
Thanks guys, it seems that he has asked ebay to step in to resolve the issue, I am hoping that this will get wrapped up soon so I can stop having to deal with the guy. On a side note, someone has advised me via pm that the buyer is on this site? Does anyone know who he is? Maybe he hasn't seen it from my perspective and this thread will give him motivation to deal with this fairly now and withdraw his case and feedback
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
74481 Posts |
I wish you with the best of luck man! That's horrible what you're going through. Hopefully it will get resolved.
Errers and Varietys.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Quote: On a side note, someone has advised me via pm that the buyer is on this site? Does anyone know who he is? The ebay name is essentially the same as the CCF name. I am curious: what was the item total, charged shipping and actual shipping? I can't really assess who may be in the wrong, if anyone, without that information. I hope, in this case, that ebay essentially appeases both sides by leaving you alone and giving the buyer a refund. That happens sometimes.
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
737 Posts |
@spruett001 - ebay ruled this as an illegal seller practice according to their standards and issued me a full refund, I have the telephone conversation with ebay letting me know he is being investigated as well as the seller's message admitting to doing this which ebay became very interested in. The price of the coin was $15, the ship cost was $10, the stamp on the envelop was $3. What I think is going on here with the start of this thread by the seller is an attempt to shoot the messenger or victim-blaming. I asked for a refund of half the shipping costs for a coin that weighs under 6 grams and takes two minutes to package and can be dropped off with the other $2000-3000-4000.00 items he sells. I don't think my extra envelop would strain his back. That still left him $2.00 for the trouble of extending his fingers 1mm wider to get mine into his hand alongside the others. I didn't do it in any way for the money, it was for the principal. If I wanted to make money on someone's back, there was no tracking, I could have simply said I never received the coin and received a full refund and kept the coin. My orginal message, politely but firmly requested a 'partial refund on the shipping and then I hit a wall with this seller and heard stories about cost to do business. Not once did he question his own policy, not once. I wasn't extorting His money, (I was trying to stop him from extorting the buyer through hidden undisclosed costs), not just me but everyone he has sold to and will sell to with every single coin having hidden seller fees tagged on. If anyone finds me wrong in trying to right this, then so be it. And if there are any sellers here subscribing to this selling practive, then by all means, please block me on ebay from buying from you so I can avoid the hidden costs. That's kind of a nasty side to ebay, you never know who is and who isn't. P.S. I have left 1 Neg FB in 10 years and have bought 1000,s of coins, if that tells you anything. This seller's blatant behind-the-scenes practice just hit me the wrong way and I reacted. His blind arrogance in not hearing what I was trying to convey to him (over several messages) about the unfairness to the buyer was what pushed it and didn't help my patience. That is all.
Edited by TaeKenDo 05/30/2019 02:30 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
737 Posts |
@serial (aka woollybeaker) Are you aware you have been flagged and are under surveillance by ebay and they are going back months, if not years into your shipping fees looking specifically for over-charges. I simply wanted to settle this buyer-to-seller or man-to-man if you prefer, but obviously you underestimated that buyer's will simply accept paying your ebay & Paypal fees for you. You made several mistakes, let me list them out for you: 1- You got greedy and charged high and shipped low to a fellow collector/seller 2- You didn't absorb what was actually going on (maybe you're too busy making money to actually care about your clients...) 3- You didn't refund the over-charge used to pay your seller fees when you had ample chance and to do so amicably 4- After several attempts to make you understand, you became more obstinant in Your woes and business costs as opposed to trying to listen. 5- You posted a thread in the same forum that the collector/buyer is a member of The way I see it is you have a few options as an ebay seller. 1- You can continue charging extra to each and every one of your buyers without disclosing you are doing so 2- You can disclose this important, forthcoming & honest information on each of your listings so your clients are informed, especially the repeat ones. 3- You can not breathe a word and continue doing what you're doing but for heaven's sake, at least don't admit it to ebay through the messaging system, you should know by now they're always listening. 4- You can humble yourself, learn a good lesson on integrity and fairness rather than run to your nearest coin forum shoulder to cry on while at the same time trying to tarnish a long-time, fellow collector's reputation while trying to gain support to justify your less than transparent ebay practices. And lastly, as we age, we have less patience for the run-around on places like ebay. We (ALL) work hard for our money and hope to be fairly treated but should be wise enough to know that will not always be the case. We should also strive to see the others point-of-view and be a little more sympathetic to what they are saying. A simple, justified partial refund would likely have gained you a client for life. Instead, you earned exactly what ebay's system provides for and keeps things from getting out of hand. Just thought I'd share these next 2 screen-shots with you, it might go a long way.
Edited by TaeKenDo 05/30/2019 03:59 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
737 Posts |
Maybe we all need to look further than our eyes can see, present company included. 1st screen-shot is between myself and a seller I've bought from on occasion and last night again. The 2nd is concerning an auction I won at a price considerably below the coins value. On the 2nd, I acted as I felt I should, call me crazy but I feel better and so do they. Take it for what it's worth. P.S. Don't want sympathy but I just started on unemployment benefits which are at 55% my regular salary because of a lay off. So for the 2nd seller, I can feel their pain...loll  
Edited by TaeKenDo 05/30/2019 03:51 am
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