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Sacagawea 2000-P Wrong Planchet

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Hey All,
Found this 2000-p Sacagawea dollar coin that is silver in color. Almost passed it of as Ware, but I decided to weigh it. We are only at 7.6 grams..
Could this be some type of foreign planchet?

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I dunno--the counterfeit ones all seem to be copper colored, but this site may be of some interest:

http://www.smalldollars.com/index.html#sacagawea
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 Posted 05/20/2019  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Should be closer to 8.1g, but guessing it's within tolerance or perhaps a thin planchet.
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Very strange for sure.
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Double check your scale on another sac dollar and some other things and be sure it's accurate.

The possibility exists that this is a Sac dollar struck on a 1999 SBA dollar planchet, there's an overlap there for the two coins being minted at Philadelphia, the SBA through 1999 and then on to the 2000P Sac at the end of 2009.

Coin should not weigh 7.6g though. it should weigh 8.1 either way. A more than half gram is huge over or under, and while they do have a .5 gram tolerance limit, that one would be right on the edge of unacceptably underweight.

I don't think it could be plating.

No other denomination short of a completely foreign planchet for a different country gets you to 7.6g (possibly), which is why I suggest the scale might be off. A 3-4 decimal place scale won't be off by much and be pretty precise, some of them will round though if it's a 2 or 1 decimal place scale, or just be off by half a gram (also a tolerance thing and acceptable for the manufacturers of some of them.)

Examples struck on a SBA planchets have been found and exist. If it's 7.6g though I'd have to think it's a fake of some sort. No idea how it could be a half gram underweight and look that good still, it's lacking some detail on the reverse, the tail feathers, the wing tips, the eagle head and body the feet, I think her shirt on the obverse should have more detail also, which now looking at it more, it's less noticeable at first look but it's lacking detail like hair strands on her and the baby, also, I think just an overall lightness on both sides, and not sure why that would happen, underweight maybe? PMD and someone spent a lot of time wet sanding it down and that's where the half gram went? Hard to really say.

You could also measure it with calipers, should be 2.00 mm (0.079 in) thickness, 26.49 mm (1.043 in) diameter. Same goes for the SBA coins, they were different metals, but same sizes and weights.

Also if you can please take a picture of the coins edge, I'd like to see that too please.

By the way, in 1998-1999 there were also "experimental planchets" testing for the Sac dollars with State Quarter and for SBA dollar dies, with some examples found since 1999. of SBA and State Quarters struck on them, they have a "greenish" color in most cases though or were the same color as the SAC dollar coins, but those weighed in about 7.3-7.6 for the SBA coins they struck with them. I don't think that's what you have though... color is wrong, but that could be lighting also of the picture of course....
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SBA on Sac planchet:
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Sac on SBA Planchet:
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Thanks for the replies, guys. The small dollars website is definitely helpful!
Big kingdom- appreciate the thorough reply. I checked 5 2000-p dollars, on 2 different scales result is the same on both. 8.1 on all but this coin at 7.6.

Im going to get some pictures and get on my computer for a more thorough response. But, check out below thread, only thing I have ever seen similar to this.

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/qu...coin.258424/
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/sa...rror.258481/
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Best picture I could get on the edge to show color.
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It might just be the quality of your photos but the details do not look right compared to coop's photo. Her nose and the infants face look different.
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Sure is interesting.... I just don't know about this one. Foreign planchet maybe as it said in the other thread you posted a link to?
Maybe do the measurements to see if it's thinner or thicker than 2mm?

Experimental planchet maybe? Shouldn't be with a sac strike though they tested with 1999 SBA dies and 1999 State Quarter die's when they searched for a new planchet composition for the sac dollar in 1998 and 1999.

I'm lost on this one at this point. I think you need an expert on errors. Not sure who that would be though. Good luck.
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The OP's coin could be acid dipped. That would reduce the weight and the edge and alter the surfaces of the coin.
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