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I was helping my father in law sort through some of his Canadian coins using a book which he recently bough out of a second hand book shop whilst on holiday. The book is Coins of Canada by J.A. Haxby and R. C. Willey. 2nd edition. Anyway, he has a few 1859 one cents. Most appear to be the early form of the narrow 9 (common one). One however looked to be "Double punched narrow 9 no.1" it has a small tail to the bottom left of the of the 9.   Next two were under different lighting there isn't any actual difference in colour.   It turns out that it is a DP#1, and possibly an early state one as the die cracks aren't all there? Below is a list of were the die cracks should be and pictures of the coin. As you can see some cracks are vissable, where as some aren't.   No die crack or possibly a very faint one starting between the two teeth.   No die crack through D?  Small sign of a die crack thorough the centre of R.  No die crack though N (please note image is upside down).  Reverse: No die crack at 3 o'clock There is a die crack at the top part of 6 o'clock, not below the leaf.   So I had two quotes to its value. 1st one $500 the second one after taking better pictures (different Canadian collector) between $700-$1200 USD retail. Needless to say my father in law is very pleased.  |
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Wow--fantastic find! I just had a few 1859 pennies in front of me and was studying the varieties. I agree--#1, and in a nice grade too! |
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I found out I had a 1859 also. I seen one e-bay going for $2700. I had to take a second look to see if mine was a narrow 9. Yep$$$ it is. I just wish it could grade higher. Image:  1859can.jpg44.27 KB Image: 1859canrev.jpg28.65 KB Image: can3.jpg92.33 KB Image: can4.jpg100.4 KB Here is the e-bay coin. Image: can5.jpg17.29 KB Edited by coindexter
08/27/2008 9:34 pm
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The narrow nine is the most common. There is also a 1859 with a 9 over 8 variety. And the DP (double punched) #1 and DP #2 varieties. the DP #1 (The one in my post) is the rarest one. I don't know why the ebay one made so much, perhaps its because it is in MS65. |
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If that's a gVF, Charlton's Canadian catalogue would put it easily around CAD $600 Edited by KurtS
08/28/2008 7:18 pm
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KurtS where you talking about mine? Ok here is the date pic. Image: cancu.jpg41.48 KB Edited by coindexter
08/28/2008 8:21 pm
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Coindexter, I just made a call on the first coin by Hussulo.  On yours I cannot see the date enough in detail to tell which of 6 types for 1859 would be your penny. Bigger pics would sure help for the "59" in the date. |
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Nice grade on that coin! Yours is the "narrow date" variety--see how the 9 is spaced closer to the 5 than the rest of the date? |
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Kurt, I thought it was the shape of the nine when they referred to the 'narrow' nine. The loop of the narrow nine is oval where the other nine is more round.  |
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Well...my opinions certainly aren't conclusive. From what I've seen the W9 has a very round upper opening. I just thought yours looks closer to my Narrow 9, where the date position was perhaps the "near 9" reverse die:  detail of your coin:  |
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Kurt, Confusion reigns supreme. I'm sorry for not being clear. I always thought mine was a narrow nine varity. I was under the impression that the shape of the '9' was the determining factor (that is how my Charlton describes them. Gotta upgrade the reference books  |
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wwhitman...no worries! I'm presently looking for a "wide 9" variety, so I was focused on that. Hopefully, I'll have a good find soon...if all works out. |
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Here's the "wide 9" variety for comparison--what do you think? (Actually, this is the 1859/8 using a "wide 9", but the 9 is close to the non-overdate variety)  |
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Gee, Kurt I think I would have to say it's a wide nine. I had always classified as narrow nine because of it shape. Image: Canada_1859_1CentW9_Rev.jpg40.67 KB |
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Posted 08/27/2008 9:11 pm
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