1869 RPD Fs# 3n-1869-302 ( Old Fs#004.5) But Is It Also Doubled Die Obverse / DDO

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desertgem Pillar of the Community United States 860 Posts	Posted 08/29/2008 03:11 am This is a 1869 3CN ~ use to be FS# 3CN-004.5, new designation number is FS# 3N-1869-302. My question is if it is also a DDO? The Cherrypicker guide only has it as a RPD, but it does look like more than that. Thanks for your consideration. You might be curious about the discoloration in photo 2, it seems to be a planchet problem. The contrast in first photo is increased to show the date. Thanks Jim Report this Post to the Staff

KurtS Pillar of the Community United States 5318 Posts	Posted 08/29/2008 03:53 am I'm hardly an expert in 3CN, but I think that's a very nice RPD. I'm sure Prethren will have a more informed opinion. Regarding the outlines on the legend, this closely resembles something common to IHCs called "Longacre outlines", caused by shoulders in the die tools used to created the legend. This shows up on IHC dies to varying degrees. Since Longacre also designed this coin, I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case here. Report this Post to the Staff
desertgem Pillar of the Community United States 860 Posts	Posted 08/29/2008 04:19 am Hi Kurt, Yes, I knew about Longacre's outline, and you do see much of the same on 3CNs, and some obvious here I think,but I was wondering on the letters where there was much more of it on one side than the other, and in the 3rd photo, look at the "T" and "E" in UNITED, where the extra seems at an angle to the letter itself. I had originally, many years ago labeled it just as a RPD, but was taking a closer look at it again, and thought I would just present it here! I have a few more of these to go through. Thanks for you excellent input always. Jim Report this Post to the Staff
KurtS Pillar of the Community United States 5318 Posts	Posted 08/29/2008 12:02 pm Hi Jim, Well, I'm not too familiar with this series, but when I saw these shapes around the letters, I thought it was very similar to what I've seen on IHCs. For instance, the UNI of UNITED are very typical L.O., with these shoulders on both sides. For a DDO, I'd expect very clear displacement across this word, with serif doubling such as on the T and E. I do like how the punch was broken in the T and D. . As a comparison, here's the 1887 IHC DDO (Snow-1) which shows directional displacement and serif doubling. Of course, there are different types of hub doubling, but my shot is one of the more common types. Nice RPD! Edited by KurtS 08/29/2008 12:04 pm Report this Post to the Staff
foundinrolls Pillar of the Community United States 3507 Posts	Posted 08/29/2008 2:31 pm The initial coin shown is a RPD but is not a doubled die. The "Longacre Doubling" answer is correct. Thanks, Bill Report this Post to the Staff
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1869 RPD Fs# 3n-1869-302 ( Old Fs#004.5) But Is It Also DDO