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1864 Cent RPD

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 Posted 08/27/2008  06:04 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
No question this is an RPD, I just don't know which one. Another thing - people who know can see by the shape of the bust, but I still get confused because I don't know the design very well...is this an 1864L?

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 Posted 08/27/2008  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree RPD. That 4 looks taller than the rest of the numbers. Is that common on this date? It looks like a rounded bust to me. The pointed bust is more pointy and the bust itself is thinner in width.
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 Posted 08/27/2008  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello

Seems to be over the same date. Bust would be to more of a point
on an L. Tough to actually see the L on the ribbon so usually the pointy bust is used as a diagnostic. That is what I have learned
about them.
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Nice RPD! That's a rather large N displacement. You can see the distance by the bottom curves inside the lower loops of 86.
Pulling out Rick Snow's attribution guide, this looks like a pointed bust "L"--I just think the point is worn down a bit.
To my eyes, I'm seeing S4 1864/1864(n) 18/18/(s), described as "very scarce". There is no RPD listed that's even close for the no-L version.
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Update: here's a closeup of an "1864 1C L On Ribbon MS65 Red PCGS. FS-006.72, Snow-4." taken from Heritage for comparison:

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Okay, so Kurt...thanks for the information so far - it's obvious that you know quite a bit more than I do about these. I grade the coin G-VG, and agree with your assessment of the die attribution. So what would that make something like this worth?

Thanks.
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BTW, I can see a small hump where the L should be, and with the right angle and a bit of imagination, the basic shape of the L comes out. I was thinking it was a pointed bust, but like with others here, was unsure because of the amount of wear.

BTW, I cherried this out of a dealer's box and bought it because of the bust, thinking it was probably an "L". It wasn't until I got it home and looked at it more closely that I even noticed it was an RPD, and here I am usually looking in the denticles for digit pieces...and didn't even notice this monster!
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 Posted 08/27/2008  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chuck,
Thanks! I suppose I have a good eye for details, but I mostly credit Rick Snow's attribution guides--they've been very educational.
So if you got a "L" for a non-L price, that's a very good pickup!
In terms of added value, it seems the varieties get proportionally better money in higher grades.
Here are a few prices realized for this variety at Heritage:
2005 XF40: $373.75
2006 MS65: $3450
You probably know better than me how the market has moved since then.
In Rick Snow's guide, he values this variety at 2-3X premium over non-variety value.
I'm never sure how that really translates into market value, since variety collectors are a subset.
I guess that explains why I never pay for varieties, but only cherry-pick.
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I agree with Kurt on this one. It is Snow-4 1864 With "L".

CherryPickers' Guide calls it FS#1 ˘-006.72

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