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1803 Draped Bust Dollar

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 Posted 06/03/2019  07:15 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Sweden12345 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello. I'd like some input on this coin as I usually don't collect "foreign coins" - I am Swedish and usually I buy my nordic coins from a dealer I know and trust.

I know forgeries are common when it comes to these coins so I'd like your input. Also, if real, how's the quality?

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to CCF. Looks like a VG8 in grade. Did you check it with a magnet to see if it is silver? Weight? size? Give it a bit for a pro to chime in.https://www.PCGS.com/Photograde/#/D...DolLE/Grades
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I have doubts on authenticity
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I am not in any way an expert of the die design characteristics of this series, but this sort of check against a known genuine coin needs to be done. Red Book lists two design varieties: large and small '3's in the date.

For my part, I am not really happy with the surface texture from what I see in the pictures.

Weight and exact diameter needs to be checked against known documented specifications, and a magnet test and a ping tone test would help to determine authenticity.
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I also question the authenticity. there are several items that stick out. the rim reeding on the reverse especially from 6-9 oclock are not consistent in depth and length. the stars do not look to be correct and there is a rim separation which can be seen on the obverse. I'm not an expert of counterfeits so lets see if anyone else chimes in
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I have great doubts it is genuine: the obverse partly shows a beaded border which is never seen on early draped bust coins.
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Weight and exact diameter would be very helpful.



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Looks Fake to me. The edge looks abnormally sharp for a coin with that amount of wear. Also, the surfaces look whizzed and artificially tampered with. Deep inspection recommended.
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Very Fake-100%.

The reeding reminds me of 8 reales reedings overlapped on top of lettering, maybe they didn't change the collar before switching to making fake Bust dollars...
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There must be a Bust Dollar expert on the forum who could settle this quickly.
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I'll prove it. There are only 2 types of date for the 1803, large 3 and small 3. This is neither which proves it.


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On the coin in question, I notice that there is a double rim below the date.
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Thank you all for your input. I took your advice and didn't buy it. Weight was also of by almost two grams which was a give away. Didn't know that when I posted here. Someone else bought it though, 550$.


I guess I'll have to wait to start my exotic coins collection.
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Wow, $550. Someone got badly suckered on that one. Apart from the date the reverse reeding was also way off.
Other problems as well but those were the 2 that jumped out.
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