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Recently Acquired This Oddity. 1797 Gripped Edge?

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Hey Everyone! This is my first post here. I have been asking around for help identifying or gathering opinions on this coin I recently acquired. I got it in a cull listing on ebay it was allegedly a "Bust Half Cent". The coin measures 24mm in diameter, not 23.5mm as it should for a half. It also appears to read "ONE" and "1/00" not HALF or 1/200. The second obscure thing is the bust, it seems too large, though it is extremely worn.
The edge has this reeding, or gripping. Marks that have been long since toned over and are definitely not recent.
Could this be a 1797 Gripped Edge Draped bust struck on a Half Cent planchet? A very old large cent that was shaved down and edged? A 1797 Gripped edge half? A 1794 Reeded Edge Liberty cap Large?
What are your opinions on this coin? Here are some links to the gallery with all the pictures you'll need.
This has been a super fascinating purchase, that has led me down a deep habit hole. An oddity for sure! Well worth the 3$ price tag!







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 Posted 06/05/2019  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jadey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting mystery coin ... and you clearly have been down the rabbit hole. I'll be interested to hear others opinions.
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 Posted 06/05/2019  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well for $3 you can't go wrong.

There is a chance you hit the jackpot in a big way. It could be the R-7 stupid rare 1797 Liberty Cap Half Cent C-3. The diameter makes sense due to the damage to it. It does look like a Liberty Cap Half Cent. If it's real it's worth over 20k
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There is a chance you hit the jackpot in a big way. It could be the R-7 stupid rare 1797 Liberty Cap Half Cent C-3. The diameter makes sense due to the damage to it. It does look like a Liberty Cap Half Cent. If it's real it's worth over 20k.


I have little to no knowledge of this type coin. I'm sure others with much more knowledge will weigh in. However, if this is the case, I would suggest sending to one of the big three TPG's, ANACS, NGC or PCGS, if only to authenticate. Would be money well spent.

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To correct myself this is an R9.4 according to PCGS.
https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...edge-bn/1039
You can tell it's a bust facing right which helps. The only year in the Liberty Cap series was 1797. It is worn so the problem is this. If you can tell for sure it's a Liberty Cap, which I'm 98% sure it is based on the profile. It's good. Check the link and make the judgment if you think it matches.
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I'll defer to Conder if he comes along but I would suggest this is a Draped Bust large cent with cut-down and damaged rims that were hand-notched. I can't see the top right leaf, but the "ONE" is visible.

It's not a 1797 Gripped Edge: the numerator is not far enough right above the fraction bar, the fraction is too large, and the edge notches are too closely spaced and too numerous.

The numerator is very close to the fraction bar (vertically) and it definitely has stems. It might be a corrected fraction (100/000) with a relatively close match being the 1801 S-221; the fraction is approximately the right size, the stems are short and the right stem seems to be in correct position vs. the last A in AMERICA which is still faintly visible.
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Good eye paralyse. I'll retract my previous statments.
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 Posted 06/06/2019  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Getting some good advice here.
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I also believe it's a draped bust cent that has been "reduced".


Although, there is this little voice in my head telling me it's Half Cent planchet struck with a cent die with no collar.

But I know it isn't.

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Altered Draped bust cent. Edge isn't right for either a gripped edge Half Cent or cent. General style of the wreath looks like isn't one of the early draped bust years.
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Thanks for all the input!

Definitely seems like an altered draped bust! Just wanted some opinions on the matter! :)
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Poorly altered too.
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