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DL20K Pillar of the Community Poland 3201 Posts	Posted 09/01/2008 12:47 pm OK its not US error, but undoubtedly an error. Or rather three. Many years ago, I ordered a handful of these ultra-common German coins, and received these among them. Kept them ever since in hope someone would someday tell me what's wrong with them Guess this moment has come. How do I name these errors? Edited by DL20K 09/01/2008 12:47 pm Report this Post to the Staff

KurtS Pillar of the Community United States 5318 Posts	Posted 09/01/2008 12:54 pm Here in the US, the first two are called "die cracks" and the last photo shows a "rim Cud". If you notice on the first photo, the crack has started at the rim and ended at the rim. Eventually this whole area will break off, producing a "rim Cud" similar to the third photo. This is where a blob of metal moves into a deep hole in the die. That's how I would describe it--anyone correct me please. Edited by KurtS 09/01/2008 12:55 pm Report this Post to the Staff
vermontensium Moderator United States 16679 Posts	Posted 09/01/2008 5:09 pm Nice Cud. swcoin.ecrater.com Report this Post to the Staff
MorgansRmine Pillar of the Community United States 1219 Posts	Posted 09/01/2008 5:30 pm DL20K and Kurt, I don't know where the fine line is drawn, the first picture appears to have passed the crack stage and is now a die break. 2nd picture I can't tell if it's a Cud extending into the wheat stalks or crack. 3rd picture, aggreed, nice rim Cud. Report this Post to the Staff
DL20K Pillar of the Community Poland 3201 Posts	Posted 09/01/2008 5:39 pm I'll try to take better daylight photos tomorrow. These were late in the evening and that's why they aren't of good quality. Also, I remember having another coin with something similar to the third one. Edited by DL20K 09/01/2008 5:40 pm Report this Post to the Staff
DL20K Pillar of the Community Poland 3201 Posts	Posted 09/02/2008 07:21 am Here they are. Including the 4th one, similar to the 3rd. Any changes in the identification? Report this Post to the Staff
MorgansRmine Pillar of the Community United States 1219 Posts	Posted 09/02/2008 07:49 am Nice. Die break. Cud. Rim Cud and rim Cud. Report this Post to the Staff
DL20K Pillar of the Community Poland 3201 Posts	Posted 09/02/2008 08:15 am MorgansRmine, KurtS, vermontensium - thank you for your help . Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 09/02/2008 2:00 pm #1 is a heavy die crack #2 is either a die crack or just possibly a Retained Cud. I can't tell for sure from the photo. #3 is a design Cud not a rim Cud #4 is a rim Cud. DL20K the difference between a die crack and a die break is whether of not a piece of the die has broken away and fallen out. If the piece of the die that breaks away and falls out included the edge of the coin it is called a Cud. If it doesn't include the edge then it is just called a die break. #4 is a rim Cud because it only includes the rim. #3 is a design Cud because it has extended beyond the rim and now includes part of the design, the lettering. Oops I was mistaken on #4. I thought it was the rim and denticals. It actually crosses the field area between the rim and inner border and includes part of that border so it would also be a design Cud. Report this Post to the Staff
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