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A Conundrum Concerning Specimen Cases

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The Cornerstone 1908 specimen set I purchased came with two cases. One was the red Case 6e described in Charlton. The other was this blue one. Same dimensions and same clasp as the 6e. The hinges are a little smaller and placed a little wider.

Charlton says the Ottawa Mint mailed the embossed leather strip, like the one contained in the blue case, to customers who had red Case 6a with no lettering. Red Case 6c also had it affixed. So, possibly the blue case is a fabrication, using the leather strip from a red 1908 case.

The conundrum arises in the fact that the blue velvet and the holes in this blue case are identical to the 6e case (and probably other 1908 cases). The satin lining in the top of the blue case is white, not blue or purple like the other 1908 cases shown in Charlton. In this size, no blue cases, or cases with white satin, are listed in Charlton for 1908, 1911, or later years.

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Interesting. Was there any other British empire coin sets with similar dimensions and number of coins as canada? It looks similar to a early 1900 hundred australian set I saw, but did not have white satin. The red leather strip does not look like it was designed for case, but who knows.
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I looked at the obvious ones I could find through Heritage and a couple of other sites. Didn't find any the same size, but one could be out there.
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Did Sandy Campbell have any insight to this case?
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We discussed it a little, but he didn't have much info, or at least he didn't share any. I think there is a pretty good chance it was fabricated, but I cannot ID the original blue box.
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Might be worth chatting with David Bergeron. The BOC Currency Museum has a collection of mint-issued specimen cases.
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It is interesting, is the coin insert removable?

One thing I notice is that there are no strips of cloth covering the hinges, it seems to be common in both the UK and Canadian cases for the time, but maybe they fell off.


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I haven't tried, but I am sure the insert comes out. As I said, probably fabricated from various pieces, but I do not know the source of the original blue box.

The other box that came with the set is similar to the Ottawa box in your pictures.
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