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Morgan 1878 CC-Real, And If So What Caused The Damage?

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Morgan-1878-CC-Real,-And-If-So-What-Caused-The-Damage?

My LCS had this item, and he was very suspicious as it only weighed 25.4 grams vs 26.8. However, 25.4 grams is what a very worn Morgan weighs.

I am inclined to think that it is real, but damaged. I see no signs of casting, the reeding looks normal and it has the right ring to it.

The grid pattern on the face is curious-I am thinking that it was in a cloth sack of some sort and was exposed to something or buried in the ground.

I am very interested in some opinions.
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 Posted 07/12/2019  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks real to me.

As far as what made that texture I'd say that it was cloth covering the face of the worn coin causing the areas that had holes in the cloth to tone differently.
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It looks like a coarse fabric pattern such as a gunny sack. Also some nasty reverse corrosion, as if it might have been in with bolts or nails.
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Genuine, I think Grape nails it.
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It appears genuine but that is a lot of weight loss (-5%) if your 25.4 gram figure is correct. And what's up with the reverse rim? Does the rim really look like that from 11:00 to 4:00? Too many question marks for me to comment further.

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 Posted 07/12/2019  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps a fire-damaged coin that was then cleaned up harshly, to make it spendable again? That might explain the weight loss, and the odd damage patterns.
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Thanks. So a combination of heavy wear, some corrosion, and contact with cloth.

I guess that this one is not going to slabbed!

But it seems even low grade CC sell on ebay for $50+
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It's a gungy details coin in any event. Just a hole-filler.
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Sadly, I must insert the famous coin funeral gif:

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It is just painful to see this poor 1878-CC. Alas, it is real. It appears to be what is left of a VAM-14A, a B2 reverse (short nock) with an unbroken 4th obverse right star and a wide middle height CC mint mark. It has two of the markers, the die scratch from the eagle's left leg to the middle of the eagle's left wing and the two die gouges on the eagle's left wing. (The eagle's left is our visual right.) The obverse die marker (eyelid die chip) is too far gone to detect, but I think it is (or once upon a happier time long ago, was) a 14A.
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fortcollins nailed it, of course, but it looks like fire damage to me as well. Yes, pretty much any CC will bring a premium over melt; I got $75 for an 1878-CC with two nasty staple scratches on the reverse but otherwise VF details, and $50 for an 1880-CC with terminal PVC damage and severe corrosion.
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