1808 St Martens 18 Stuivers 1/5 Cut Of 8 Reales Coin - Page 2

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tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7948 Posts	Posted 08/21/2019 4:45 pm Ironic that the "treasure" coin was a fake, and this hacked up bit was the treasure! Congratulation! Report this Post to the Staff
jgenn Pillar of the Community United States 1156 Posts	Posted 08/21/2019 10:00 pm Thanks for the update, Jayyk31! I'm happy for you that your coin was authenticated, but I'm also grateful that you kept this thread alive. We get so many questions about coins that never get resolved. It's super helpful for others to see the final outcome whether it's good or bad because it adds to our collective knowledge. Edited by jgenn 08/21/2019 10:02 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Anaximander Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 709 Posts	Posted 08/21/2019 11:57 pm @jgenn It is good to see the result, and it is also good to have some decent quality photos of this coin. It appears in two of my references but because the subject is considered to be minor ( sadly ), but also possibly because not much is known, book photos are small. Report this Post to the Staff
Jayyk31 Valued Member United States 211 Posts	Posted 08/22/2019 08:00 am My mistake..... I received a 2nd email with shipping info and when I went and looked on my submission it said " NOT GENUINE". So there it is, a counterfeit. Wonder if I'll get an explanation from them as how they came to that conclusion. Problem with this piece is I could not find a lot of detailed info describing the coin. Oh well... But my apologies, the coin is "NOT GENUINE" as per NGC... Report this Post to the Staff
colonialjohn Pillar of the Community United States 1757 Posts	Posted 08/22/2019 12:07 pm Not all bad news IMO ... I remember awhile back Stacks had a collection of real and fake pieces. This looks like then a contemporary counterfeit of the period or a bit later. See August 2015 Chicago ANA Stacks Sale The Atteck Family Holey Dollars Collection. See : Lot 31338 Description THE ATTECK FAMILY COLLECTION OF WEST INDIES HOLEY DOLLARS. Guadeloupe Contemporary Counterfeit 9 Livres (9 Shillings), ND (Authorized May 9, 1811). FINE. I own this coin ~$500 and it's a fake. Not all fakes are worthless. This IMO is a good fake ... <BG>. John Lorenzo Numismatist United States Report this Post to the Staff
Anaximander Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 709 Posts	Posted 08/24/2019 03:23 am So which part is fake? The host coin, the countermarks, or both? Are my initial concerns relevant about the roundness of the arrows stamp? Report this Post to the Staff
mkman123 Pillar of the Community United States 3184 Posts	Posted 08/24/2019 4:31 pm Oh man, I was rooting for you! I'm glad you at least sent it to NGC to make sure, the photo vision picture even looks amazing. Hopefully you can call up NGC and ask them about the coin....maybe they will tell you what was fake about it. Report this Post to the Staff
Jayyk31 Valued Member United States 211 Posts	Posted 09/19/2019 9:33 pm Well I bought a Sigma recently. If I would have had it before I would have found that the metal was not silver. My guess is it's some nickel alloy, cast or struck counterfit. So I would have known if I had the Sigma before I sent it off. It looks darn nice tho. I might contact NGC to see what they think of it. Thanks for following the thread guys & all the help! Report this Post to the Staff
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