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1970-S Lincoln Memorial Cent Large Date Proof

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I bought this coin at the club auction for $2.50 as it had nice appeal for my Lincoln set. I love the bulleyes album toning on coins.

1970-S-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent-Large-Date-Proof

When I got a chance to look closer, I noticed the Machine Doubling on the letters,

1970-S-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent-Large-Date-Proof

But I was curious about the doubling effect on the numbers( I expected to see greater flat areas, and also even with the Machine Doubling effect on the M/M, it didn't look like it was a regular "s" mintmark. Of course the owner always "sees" more there than there is , so you can tell me so with impunity.
Just thought it was a neat coin and I got my money out of the examination process! I think I like to practice the photography also.

1970-S-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent-Large-Date-Proof

Jim
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 Posted 09/09/2008  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really interesting coin!
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Jim, still just Machine Doubling. Trust really shows the brunt of the die chatter or twist, date & mintmark a littler lighter.
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Looks like the large date as well.
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Hi All,

Don't count it out so fast:-) I often see minor things that might be overlooked. I added an arrow to the lower left of my cropped version of the picture. It points at what appears to be reasonable notch on the lower portion of the 7.
Although, the mint mark and the other letters are exhibiting a lot of Machine Doubling damage. This one may be a minor DDO or even a known TDO. This one is similar to 1970-S PF DDO, 7-0-1 (new FS number).

If you look at the picture really closely you can see another slight groove along the top of the 7 above the groove pointed out by the arrow. I would like to see a nice picture of LIBERTY

Thanks,
Bill

PS: I know....you all think I'm nuts but I see what's there:-)

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Seeing things that ain't there, thats nuts Bill. No call to the X-Files this time. Saw the obvious, discarded the rest. Where can I get a pair of glasses like yours? Good eye.
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Looking at and describing this stuff is one of my main interests. After you've seen a coupla thousand:-) you know what to look for. In this case, I knew where to look. I could also see that the digits were shaped a little out of the norm on this one. I also have to give credit to the excellent photograph that was posted.

When I really start seeing things that aren't there, I'll pack it in:-) and take all my marbles home:-)
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how do you guys do the arrows which photo thing do you guys use
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You can do it with Photoshop. I also use Photo Plus, another picture processing program.

I have four programs that I use and each has a way to add arrows.

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I will get a photo of the Liberty up a little later tonight after I get back from my gym stuff. Bill, most of us are nuts, just very few admit it :)

Daviscfad,

As far as the arrows, it is part of my Corel Paint Shop Pro X2 , which means version 12. I have both photoshop and it , and I like it a little better, but most of the photo programs can do arrows.
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Thanks for the info guys
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Now that you point it out, I see the notch on the 7.
Nice toning on this coin!
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 Posted 09/10/2008  02:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Man it is difficult to photograph proof coins

Here is the full liberty

1970-S-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent-Large-Date-Proof

Here is the first part in more detail

1970-S-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent-Large-Date-Proof

The last part of liberty
1970-S-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent-Large-Date-Proof

Notice the "E" at the bottom
1970-S-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent-Large-Date-Proof

2 photos of date. Tried to angle light source so lines show on numbers

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Hope this has been interesting!

Jim


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Here is another photo trying to enhance the bottom of the 7.
It's been fun. I am not sure if it is a notch or part of mechanical. Glad to listen
to those with more experience and knowledge.

Jim

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Your coin suffers from common Machine Doubling. All of the areas you show are Machine Doubling.
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Excellent photos - wish mine were that good
Also the discussion was quite intriguing as well.
I am not an collector of cents - so I was just trying to gain some info - hopefully some will be retained
As for the arrows - Photoshop and Corel are great programs but expensive. Gimp might do the trick for you as well and a lot cheaper -FREE.
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