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"Cent" Versus "Penny" - My Rant

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 Posted 10/14/2008  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rggoodie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have fun with this subject.
and I hope you will enjoy reading this long post.

I Have had the opportunity to conduct some "bank training"

I start out by laying down four US coins and asking one or two people to identify a
once cent coin
a five cent coin
a ten cent coin and
a twenty five cent coin.

Being the participants are bankers and "cocky"

they immediately identify the coins as
a penny, a nickel or five cent coin the dime as a ten cent coin and the quarter dollar as a twenty five cent coin.

I then point out that the one cent coin has imprinted on it the term "ONE CENT" on the reverse on the bottom
I then display an Australian and British "Penny" showing the word "Penny"- that clarifies that
then I point out that on the reverse of the five cent coin it says "FIVE CENTS" just under the image of the building (Yes I know the name of the building)

I then point out that on what they call the 10 and 25 cent coins there is no numerical denomination listed rather it states DIME and QUARTER DOLLAR.

I then display Canadian coins because on them it says 10 cents and 25 cents (my apologies to my Aussie mates I don't use our currency here because although we have a 10 cent coin our next higher denomination is a 20 Cent Coin)

to make it more interesting I then ask them to describe the images on both sides of the US ONE CENT coin

this is where it gets to be fun. Most can identify President Abraham Lincoln on the Obverse - but most have no idea the image on the reverse is the Lincoln Memorial

to assist them I display a US Five Dollar banknote and demonstrate for them that Lincoln is the only person currently on the obverse and reverse of a circulating coin and banknote.

The image on the five dollar note makes it easier for the viewer to see the image and I then point out that they can see the seated statue of Lincoln in the Lincoln Memorial on the reverse of the banknote and if they look carefully they will also see it on the reverse of the ONE CENT coin.

Next I show them that there are the names of states that appear at the top of the building on the reverse of the 5 dollar note and ask them why there are only 26.
the answers I receive would amaze you.

When I point out that there were forty eight state names engraved on the monument but - they only see 26 because they are only looking at the front of the building. That usually gets a laugh.

to make it more fun I take out a ONE Dollar banknote and as they view it I ask (here is the set up) Who was the first President of the United States? 999 out of 1000 people answer George Washington, because That is who is on the face of the One dollar US banknote.

I then ask isn't it true that the General of the Army is appointed by the President. To which I receive an affirmative, Then I ask who then appointed George Washington General of the Army if He was the first President and was not inaugurated until 1789.

I then explain that John Hancock appointed George Washington General.

and point out that George Washington was the First President of "These United States" as organized under the "current" constitution.
(There are numerous books on the market tracing whether Washington was the 11th or 13th President. I will leave that to the historians to fight out.

Now back to the point
Having convinced the bankers they don't know a CENT from a PENNY.
The are willing to pay attention as I demonstrate ways to determine if the current US Currency is counterfeit.

Remember these are the same people who gave me a 1934 Series A US $20 note for twenty dollars because they did not recognize it and thought it was a counterfeit.

In the US I deal in CENTS in Australia I used to deal with Pennys, but since decimalization I am back to cents.

But I do not refer to the US one cent coin as a PENNY


Hope you enjoy my sicko sense of humour, but I do what it takes to get people to pay attention
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 Posted 10/15/2008  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I have fun with this subject.
and I hope you will enjoy reading this long post.
I loved it! Thanks for sharing.
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This is why the coin that's worth half a shilling is called a "sixpence", not a "sixpennies" (though sometimes it might be referred to as a "sixpenny-bit" or "sixpenny-piece").

Since all you people got smart brains, one attaboy to the first poster who knows the technical name for a 6¼¢ piece (half a bit).
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To say "I was given fifty-five one cent coins" is clearer, but there's still the ambiguity surrounding the word "cent", and using running two numbers together like that ("fifty-five" and "one") is inelegant and can add to the confusion. Using the word "pennies" is clearer, because it's immediately obvious you're talking about a number of coins, not an amount of money. And "pennies" is easier to say than "one cent coins".

Yep, it's obvious you're talking about 55 UK-type coins. If you were talking about American coins, you'd have been clear by saying IC or Lincolns.

I have two American coins totaling 55¢. One of them is not a nickel. What are they?
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I then display Canadian coins because on them it says 10 cents and 25 cents (my apologies to my Aussie mates I don't use our currency here because although we have a 10 cent coin our next higher denomination is a 20 Cent Coin)

The quarter is a stupid denomination, a throwback to cutting up Spanish milled dollars. It and the 3¢ piece are the only two coins/bills with only one decimal multiple.

To wit, leaving off the $ or ¢ signs:

.1, 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10000, 100000 etc
.5, 5, 50, 500, 5000, 50000, 500000
2, 20, 200, 2000
25, 250
3, 300
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 Posted 10/15/2008  03:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Penny (Canada)
Value: 0.01 CAD
Mass: 2.35 g
Diameter: 19.05 mm
Thickness: 1.45 mm
Edge: smooth
Composition: 94% steel,
1.5% Ni,
4.5% Cu plating
Years of minting: 1858-present
Catalog number: CC 20
Obverse

Design: Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada
Designer: Susanna Blunt
Design date: 2003
Reverse

Design: Maple leaf branch
Designer: G.E. Kruger Gray
Design date: 1937
In Canada, a penny is a coin worth one cent or 1#8260;100 of a dollar. According to the Royal Canadian Mint, the official national term of the coin is the "one-cent piece", but in practice the term penny or cent is universal. Penny was likely readily adopted because the previous coinage in Canada (up to 1858) was the British monetary system, where Canada used British pounds and pence as coinage alongside U.S. decimal coins and Spanish milled dollars.

In Canadian French, the penny is also called a cent,still who cares
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10/15/2008 03:56 am
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Really? The mint calls them pennies, nickles,etc... now

http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs...latingCoins/
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Really? Show me one where they put "penny" on it. All you've shown is that some factory workers are as illiterate as some bankers. My brother calls his cat "mutt", but that doesn't make it a dog.
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 Posted 10/15/2008  07:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
LOL!! I love this thread!

Your brother callS his cat mutt? That's HILARIOUS
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 Posted 10/18/2008  06:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muckeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
coin dexter ( basically, a left handed coin).
I can't understand your thread, what's the designer or weight got to do with it?
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I believe coindexter's point is that, while the Wikipedia article for the US 1¢ coin is titled "Cent (United States coin)", the parallel article for the Canadian 1¢ coin is titled "Penny (Canadian coin)".

If you just type in Penny into Wikipedia, it gives an overview article primarily about the British and Empire/commonwealth coins, with links at the bottom to the coins from specific countries (including the US and Canada).
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There are way too many pages in this thing.
I just read the original post and scanned the first
few comments... So if I am on the millionth page now,
sounding like an idiot, then so be it.

I don't know where the terms penny and nickel came from...
All I know is that my 80-something Grandparents call the
coins these names, and always have. So wherever the terms
came from, it was even before them.

That said, just like the term Indian was slang
(or misnomer at best) in the 17th century,
it is accepted and understood to mean something
today. That is good enough.

There comes a point where you just know what a word
means, accept it, and leave it at that. A penny is
what it is, where you are located. Where I am, it
always has, and always will, refer to a U.S. cent coin.
It doesn't refer to the denomination, it refers to the
coin itself. You wouldn't call a nickel "a 5 penny coin".
Just the same, you wouldn't call a dime something like
a "double nickel" or "2 nickel piece".

Live with it...

Edit:
I just thought of something that made me snicker...
What if the same people that dump on the term "penny" being
used in the U.S. were in the 18th-19th centuries?
Would someone shout out in alarm "Look out, Indians!",
in order to warn folks of hostile Native Americans
about to attack... Then that anal retentive person stop to
correct them, rather than ducking for cover...

Natural selection would have truncated this argument!

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10/18/2008 11:43 am
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I picked up 2 boxes of pennies from the bank this morning. Each box is labeled $25 Pennies ( Brinks ) I couldn't resist ( this comment I mean) This has been the most entertaining pointless conversation I've ever been a part of. Why stop now?
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Edit:
I just thought of something that made me snicker...
What if the same people that dump on the term "penny" being
used in the U.S. were in the 18th-19th centuries?
Would someone shout out in alarm "Look out, Indians!",
in order to warn folks of hostile Native Americans
about to attack... Then that anal retentive person stop to
correct them, rather than ducking for cover...


I resemble this remark !

and thats my 2 cents worth !

Native americans ,,you know I work on a reservation and they resent being called Native americans ,they prefer the use of the term indian which more truely reflects their view of themselves historically than does any implication of american ancestory .

Like I said in the opening the terms can be confusing on a coin forum since they actually can refer to two entirely different coins and countries of use , in the restaurant or truck stop its no big deal .

I know next to nothing about Pennies , but I have many years of experiance with Cents , one I can answer questions about the other I can only read the answers given from the people who know about them .



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I picked up 2 boxes of pennies from the bank this morning. Each box is labeled $25 Pennies ( Brinks ) I couldn't resist ( this comment I mean) This has been the most entertaining pointless conversation I've ever been a part of. Why stop now?


A local bank lost a couple hundred dollars when someone cashed in some rolls of cents. Ignoring that the coins said "cent" and that the rolls were lumpy, all that mattered was that the wrappers said "dimes", and that made them rolls of dimes.

Anyone who insists that a mislabeled wrapper is what determimes the name of the contents, let me know, and I'll put together a few bags of dimes.
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