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 Posted 09/18/2019  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Keep that 1TB drive and throw it in an enclosure for doing backups


So what do you have to do to get it to be a back up drive?
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So that $80 US equals $108 Canadian or so


Sorry - I need to pay more attention to what group I'm talking with and sometimes which forum I'm in
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Nice on swapping out the hard drive for the SSD. $130 CA isn't bad if they are putting it in and setting it up for you.

If possible, see if they can mount the 1TB drive in a separate bay in the PC - assuming this is a desktop and not a laptop, there should be space. It would be a second drive that you could use for overflow files or backing up.

This system should be a nice set up for you.
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So what do you have to do to get it to be a back up drive?
Depends on what you want to back-up (data or whole system). The built-in Windows Backup would work okay, but I recommend getting something like Marcrium Reflect or Paragon.


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see if they can mount the 1TB drive in a separate bay in the PC
Better to have it in an external enclosure and only attach it during the backup process. When not in use, keep it unplugged and safely stowed away. A backup drive sitting in the PC is vulnerable to the same malware and power problems the main drive is.
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So if I use it as an external backup how and what do you use to plug it in and to where?
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Two connections for this type of enclosure.

Power and USB cable (to computer).

(For what it is worth, the smaller external hard drives just hav USB and pull power from computer's USB port.)
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Ok that 1TB drive has a 110v connection that can be used has well as a usb port?

OR do I need that case you are taking about?
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You need the case. Hard disk drives are designed to be inside a computer, so the case is a substitute. The "110v" connection you see is probably just the rating of the connector.

HDDs use low voltage direct current from the PC power supply and connect with a SATA cable. These connectors will be inside the enclosure.
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The "110v" connection you see is probably just the rating of the connector.


No I don't get the computer till Sept. 24 then they have take every thing off mine put in the SSD and set it all up. I will have to ask them (best buy) when they do all this work.
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You really don't need a separate case for the HDD. When the Best Buy folks transfer the OS and pre-installed programs to the SSD, they should be able to leave the HDD in the computer as a 2nd internal drive. You could then use that drive as a backup drive and/or a storage drive for files that you don't access often.
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Some time ago I purchased an HP Lap Top and have nothing good to say about it at all. Once when taking to a computer place with it, they said HP is just turning out garbage. I should have purchased a better brand. At a place where I had a computer built some years back they said the same thing. I'm not a computer smart person but I usually listen to experts.
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they should be able to leave the HDD in the computer as a 2nd internal drive. You could then use that drive as a backup drive and/or a storage drive for files that you don't access often.
If you need that much storage space, maybe. But for making a backup, again, I would not do that. Any drive inside the PC is vulnerable to the same threats as the main drive. It is the worst place to keep a backup! Backups need to be kept offline and away from the PC. Preferably somewhere secure, water proof, fire proof, etc.
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But for making a backup, again, I would not do that. Any drive inside the PC is vulnerable to the same threats as the main drive. It is the worst place to keep a backup! Backups need to be kept offline and away from the PC. Preferably somewhere secure, water proof, fire proof, etc.

Got to disagree a bit with you on this jbuck

There's a difference between archival backups, designed for something catastrophic happening to the location the computer is in, and daily backups, designed to protect against equipment failure or operator error.

Archival backups should be separate from the computer. Daily backups typically use automatic backup software or drive imaging software and usually need to be continuously attached to the computer. The easiest way to do a daily backup is with an internal 2nd drive.
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Agree to disagree.


I would not recommend having only a daily backup to an internal drive because everyone is just one unfortunate click away from ransomware. That being said, the choices are backup with an external drive only or backup with a combination of the two. If you do daily backups to an internal drive, you should do backups to an external drive at some interval.

My strategy of daily (data, using a sync tool), weekly (system, using an image tool), and archival backups works for me for because I utilize more than one external drive. It is not automated, so while a constant drive connection is not necessary, I admit it will not work for everyone.


Regardless of your strategy, please backup your data.
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I would agree with jbuck although it does add complexity.

I back up my entire hard drive every two weeks to an external drive that is only connected while I back up. I keep two backups on this drive. The data on my PC doesn't change much as I use my iPad for most stuff.

Then periodically, I back up my critical files to a separate drive which I store at work in case there is a fire or tornado or criminal that takes out the computer. This is mainly old documents, pictures and music. The pictures and music also get backed up on Google Photos and Apple Music automagically as well.

A simpler approach for the 1TB drive would be to let Best Buy mount it in the PC and just buy a separate, ready to go external drive for backups. They are cheap. I use Paragon for backups but Macrium is also good.
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