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Cleaning W/ Cartwheel & Luster Post Op Still Possible

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Can one still have a decent cartwheel and luster after either a whizzing or chemical cleaning?

I want this same question addressed for after a dipping application.

This is for mostly 90% silver coins.
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Whizzing will immediately kill your coin and harsh chemical cleaning will eventually leave you with a coin that is dull and lifeless.

You might be able to dip a virgin coin once or twice in Jewelustre and have good results. However, repeated dips will eventually kill that coin, too.

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After dipping yes you can, after whizzing no.
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Agree on both points.
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The cartwheel effect is the result of very fine radial lines caused by metal flow during striking.
Whizzing (and other physical cleaning) will wipe those line out.
Chemical cleaning (dipping) unless done VERY quickly will do the same.
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Kanga nailed it. Learning to see how a coin was cleaned is as important as the results of that cleaning.

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This is why I am still confused; the close-up looks like the obverse has some whizzing going on around 3 o'clock but the cartwheel/luster still seems to be present in that general area:


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These should hopefully help further clarify what is going on with this coin:

Cleaning-W/-Cartwheel-&-Luster-Post-Op-Still-Possible
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Here is the same coin for those who would like post their grade:

http://goccf.com/t/356674
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That coin is very shiny and very flat.
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Rotate the coin and watch the cartwheel. See if it changes as it passes through that area.
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...watch the cartwheel.


I was actually a step ahead of this suggestion and had already made a short 13 second video of the cartwheel moving.

I wanted to upload this very short Media Player-type (.MOV) to this thread but it was unbelievably 8MB in size.

I have seen multiple other videos on CCF and would like to know if anyone has some ideas on how to get this accomplished?
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Upload it somewhere else first then embed it
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Youtube would probably be the easiest place.
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Here's the same post I just put in the grading thread for this same coin:

I was pushed for time and blazing trails using YouTube's beta uploading product but I will eventually redo this vertically with a much longer recording while also including the reverse twirling cartwheel:

Hopefully, now I can get some more informed opinions insofar as the effect that the cleaning(if applicable) had on this coin. What I mean is that the scratches that kind of look like whizzing may possibly be random abrasive surface marks from something being rubbed over it etc?

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By the way the previously alluded-to and exceeding large 8 MB file size that Microsoft's Media Player created for the same video became a non-factor once I uploaded the same file/size to YouTube which created the necessary format to integrate with CCF's video production constraints.
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Whizzing is done with a high speed wire brush. It usually leaves very tiny dimples in the protected areas where only the very small tips of the wire hit the surfaces. They used that technique to simulate cartwheel luster by brush from the center of the coin out to the edge while rotating the coin. If you know what to look for it is very easy to spot.
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