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Thoughts On This Caligula Sestertius? Tooled Or Cast?

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34.5 mm, 20.45 grams, and in case you don't know the coin it is supposed to be this one:
Gaius, 37-41. Sestertius 37-38, C·CAESAR·AVG·GERMANICVS P·M·TR·POT Pietas, veiled and draped, seated l., holding patera and resting l. arm on small facing figure; in exergue, PIETAS. Rev. DIVO - AVG / S - C Gaius, veiled and togate, sacrificing over garlanded altar; in the background hexastyle temple. C 9. BMC 41. RIC 36. CBN 51.

So I'll just call it myself and say both tooled and cast plus light weight. Black box forever.


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 Posted 09/27/2019  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It may have started out as a genuine coin but was so badly worn that someone tooled it to this point.
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echizento;

Well if the coin has a chance of being real but badly tooled it would deserve to be in someone's collection. To that note, these two new photos I just made, why would even a cast coin seem to have a small silver spot on the edge like this?

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Hate to ask, but any chance that small piece of silver metal at the bottom of the coin was an attempt at a repair by the same person who tooled the coin to this level?
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The weight and diameter does not indicate anything out of bounds for a first century sestertius
While it may have lost a gram or two over time
the diameter is pretty spot on
The surfaces remind me of a Claudius I once owned
My opinion at the time was environmental damage caused by salty water
Fished out of the Thames ? Perhaps .....
The 'silver' you cite likewise looks like solder
This may have been used in Victorian times as a watch fob
This area along the edge seems filed or rasped
That could indicate a sprue but for a casting this size I would expect a second one on the opposite side
A coin in this state would not have been particularly expensive away back in 1876
Lastly
Tooled ?
I see no real obvious signs
Salt water corrosion could have corroded it to give this 'odd' appearance
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Fvrivs

Thanks! As for tooled the left of the face seems pretty deep so I thought tooled there....
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@lks, for what it is worth, my opinion is similar to yours on the tooling--that profile is sharp, especially the nose and jaw and seem much better defined than other details on the coin.
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If it was "tooled" I think the damage done was not done with power tools
Possibly someone tapped it a bit with a rounded punch when it got "fobbed"
The tooled pieces I see generally have a nightmarish look with sharp lines carved into the metal
Strange faces with bad hairdos !
Don't get me wrong
The coin has some issues and I would not pay 3 4 or 5 hundred clams for it !
Which is what I might expect for a decent quality Caligula sestertius
But 1 hundred ?
I would give it some thought !
Two ?
Ehhhhh ....... probably not !
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OK I have perhaps an answer. This may have been attached as I suggest in the photo below?

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