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1953 Canadian Nickel Error? First Recorded Foreign Trail Die (Canada)

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 Posted 09/21/2008  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess needing to know when Canada started the single squeeze process would probably be a first question to answer.
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 Posted 09/21/2008  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its always nice to know what you have before it is graded. Lets say you sent it off to PCGS. They would grade it as a regular Canadian Nickel. You might need to send it to a Canadian Grader that would be familiar with what it is to be slabbed correctly. So hold tight till you know what it is first.
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 Posted 09/21/2008  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ya that's a vary good idea. The one company I talked to said it looked like a tool error. I was thinking about a Canada grading company but after seeing the plastic bag they place them in doesn't impress me to much.

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Well, say what you will about the "bag"...but ICCS is the most respected grader of Canadians.
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Oddly enough, I was the first to associate the trails to the single squeeze process, however, due to recent discoveries, I am re-thinking that idea. I am not backing of the idea that trails (and wavy steps) are created at the end of hubbing, that is the only place that lines such as these can be made. But, the parameters for making the die move against the hub may have existed way before the single squeeze process was even thought about. With the finding of some 1961 and 1964 Proof Lincoln cents that have trails, this well may be the fact. It could be a case where the single squeeze process exasperated the conditions that caused movement in the die, but this is still a conjecture.

Just for everyone's information. The last denominational coin, the fifty cent piece, has been found with trails on the obverse. It is a 1991-D Kennedy half and is listed on the trail die site. We now have trails on every modern denominational coin.

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 Posted 09/21/2008  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
KURT no I'm sure they are great at grading coins I see quite a few. What I meant to say that they should put them in a more protective case so it can withstand a kid trying to open it to spend it or a flood. What would really be sad a dropped coffee cup(bang). LOL
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 Posted 10/18/2008  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BJ Neff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just wanted to congratulate coindexter on this first recorded foreign trail die. Through a quirk of fate, not only did the reverse have trails, but also the obverse.

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While the trails are not as strong as those seen above, the obverse die is a dual directional with trails in a 000 and 180 degree direction.

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The coin is now listed on traildies.com as 19539CAN)-5DEO-001T / 1953(CAN)-5DER-001T.

BJ Neff
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 Posted 10/18/2008  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow...how interesting; great pics too!
I should now look over my Canadian coins, but I've never seen this before.
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 Posted 10/19/2008  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BJNEFF is it also the oldest coin of trail die that has been found?
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Yes it is the oldest dated coin to have trails.

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coindexter, I am new at this game, but not so new that I haven't seen trails on at least the Lincoln Cent. I have several of them, and the coins are BU, which should eliminate any polishing error. the cioin you show in the fitst photo is a very good shot, for beiny in a flip, (which incidently, I recommend you flatten those staples!), and the others were very difficult to tell much of anything. for the record, I, IMHO, would take the coin out, and make the shots, then return it to the protective flip.
Now for the trails. You can find a lot more on trails on the trails.com sirte, or directly from BJ, (Neff) who is the owner, and has done a LOT of work, and research on it. Thrails are not fully know as far as what wexactly causes them, and, are very closely associated with the other anomily known as "Wavy-steps" These have becom,e very widely known, since the advent of the "single-squeeze" process, in US coinage, (cents, at least) and it has been found to pre-date that process, lately, as evidenced by your coin, which was also posted on Coppercoins.com, very recently. There is where I first saw it. now I see it afgain, and have an idea as to where it came from. congratulations opn a great find! Altho the premium may be small, it is definitely a coin to "put away"!
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 Posted 10/19/2008  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Altho the premium may be small? Thanks
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 Posted 10/19/2008  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't mean to mis-lead..... The premium may be small, by comparison. It is new, and hasn't established a "market value", to my klnowledge. I repeat, BJ can advise you much better than I. It is his Passion, so he would be the one to give the best answer. It isn't a 1909-S VDB, (yet)!
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 Posted 10/19/2008  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats, coindexter Great coin!
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Thanks xshift. livingdinasaur There is not another 1953 Canada 5 cent out there in the world like it and I'm sure the rest of the 53s have been looked at really good for the other varieties that 53s have by this time. And no coin collector would have missed this one. This one was only missed because it had been placed in a box for the last 30+ years without ever being looked at. As for a the 1909-svdb,1955 DDO and others there is a lot more of them then mine.You couldnt trade me one for it stright across. What at least 50,000 out of 484,000 still exist. Not rare compared to doing a search on the WORLD wide web for mine I found out and trust me I have been calling around and asking. Two coin stores in Canada already made me offers and they have more then three digits in it. $Hehe.he Also I told them it's going to be graded before being sold.

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