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1953 Canadian Nickel Error? First Recorded Foreign Trail Die (Canada)

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 Posted 09/19/2008  2:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coindexter to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
OK. Here is a error I have never seen before. Anyone have a clue what could have caused this? And no it's not my fingerprint.he he

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 Posted 09/19/2008  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting! Notice how those lines extend from the denticles? I think it may be die wear, but I'm unsure.
It can't also hurt to post a pic of the obverse, because there's a valuable variety this year.
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 Posted 09/19/2008  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK will do.

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 Posted 09/19/2008  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah well...not the rare one. If that reverse had the "no shoulder fold" obverse, it would be valuable.
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 Posted 09/19/2008  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's definitely not die wear. Die wear starts at devices and spreads directly outward.

This looks like there could have been some issue with the hub dragging across the die. I'd want to see what Mr. Diamond has to say about this.
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 Posted 09/19/2008  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's good to know...I've never seen this on a Canadian coin before.
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 Posted 09/19/2008  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bet BJ Neff would like to see this one. It looks like trails from what I see?
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Thanks for checking it out everyone. I havn't seen anything ever like this before. I have the runny nose beaver,beaver tail die crack and the hearing aid errors also. But wasn't shure what to call this one.
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Yes, it does appear to be a trail die, however, that can only be confirmed by in hand analysis. Is there any chance that I may see this coin? Thanks.

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What would it be worth if it was a trail die? COOP PM sent.
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 Posted 09/19/2008  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
extreme polishing marks?
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Nope it's never been cleaned or polished. It has been in a coin box for the last 30+ or so years that was given to me.
Here is some more pics with different lighting.

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I believe that XavierOfGreen was referring to the polishing of the die which was one of the causes discussed for the formation of trails. However, this was later dismissed since trails have been found on VEDS and EDS coins, a die state that would not require die cleaning or polishing.

As to a value of trail dies, "yes" there is value for they are a variety type error. This comes from that anomaly being isolated to just one working die from that denomination of that year. This is similar to a RPM or a doubled die. As to the exact value, at this point in time it would be hard to put an estimate on your coin.

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 Posted 09/20/2008  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would like to send it to you so you can check it out and post up some picture to your web site. I guess I had better put some insurance on this one also. Send me a PM
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 Posted 09/20/2008  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add homiegrubbs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die Chatter? Coin trying to eject with pressure still on the planchet?
Just a guess.
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I tried to imagine where the pressure would come from and drew a blank. However, your synopsis is not that far off; try thinking of the die just after the hubbing process, with the weight of the working hub and collar on it, trying to shift its position and rubbing against the working hub.

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