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Originally posted by tnwalker10
Excellent thread! RenaL and lim118, could you tell me the names of the coins on your avatars? There are some really nice foreign coins. Thanks to you guys and Terry for enlightening me on these coins.
The coin in my avatar is the gold 1/10th of an ounce "Lunar Year of the Dog" issued by the Perth Mint.. |
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The term Darkside originated out of the PCGS owned forum (Collectors Universe) [ironic no?], a member of the World coin forum coined the phrase and it stuck. I forget whice member it is that thought it up, but the official rundown is; Liteside - US coins (regardless of whether you're a US citizen or not) [the official spelling is actually 'lite' not 'light'] Darkside - Non-US coins (excluding Canada) Greyside - Canadian coins Farside - Medals and exonumia I have a feeling there was another term floating around for holed coins but I forget what that was. |
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Turkey
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Then according to that definition, everyone outside US, collecting his/her own country's coins is darksider?
Then there may be others like;
redsider; Russian,chinese coins
greensider; Islamic coins
I personally liked the fist definition that stated everyone collecting other than his own country' is a darksider:)
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RenaL, Anyone world wide collecting any coins other than his/her own countries coinage are DARKSIDERS! If your desire is other than Turkish coins you are a DARKSIDER (which you are)! A bordering country would be a Graysider as they are so close it wouldn't seem foreign but go any farther my friend and you have joined the Realm of the Darkside! We have just used the terms, or tried to explain them, from the U.S. point of view so it can be a little confusing but when you live in the State of Confusion most of the time, well you get used to it!
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Turkey
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Ok then.
All is clear as crystal:)
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Originally posted by crystalk64
...Anyone world wide collecting any coins other than his/her own countries coinage are DARKSIDERS! ... A bordering country would be a Graysider as they are so close it wouldn't seem foreign but go any farther my friend and you have joined the Realm of the Darkside! We have just used the terms, or tried to explain them, from the U.S. point of view so it can be a little confusing but when you live in the State of Confusion most of the time, well you get used to it!
Terry My profile says I live in the state of confusion Help with further definition. so for Australians anything from another country would be a darksider? What do the Aussies do about Greysides, The Australian Continent (Country) does not border anyone. Maybe the Hutt River has greyside coins?  rggoodie
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"catch em doing something right"
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Most coin collectors are here in the US. This not only applies to collectors of US coins but most ccountries as well. There are far more collectors of South African coins here than in South Af- rica. In the last ten years this has been changing. There is a rapidly growing middle class in many countries and many of these people do want to collect their nation's coins. It is here where the potential in darkside coins is so great. There simply aren't enough of many coins to supply any real demand. Mintages tend to be much lower on the darkside and far fewer were set aside by col- lectors. There is often a much higher attrition as well. Many darkside coins would be revealed to be scarce or rare if the demand were there to seek them out. Look at the prices listed by Krause for some of the better post- 1950 cu/ ni world coins. Prices are up twenty or thirty fold or more in the last few years. As the new world collectors learn and expand their collections you'll see much more of this. Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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United Kingdom
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Originally posted by rggoodie
Terry
My profile says I live in the state of confusion
Help with further definition.
so for Australians anything from another country would be a darksider?
What do the Aussies do about Greysides, The Australian Continent (Country) does not border anyone. Maybe the Hutt River has greyside coins?
The problem with that is it leads to potential confusion. US is always liteside regardless of where you come from, I'm British but British coins are still darkside. The answer to why that is lies in the fact that darkside refers to 'darkside of the moon' (a la Pink Floyd). Some collectors in the US are US-centric and they can only see what their country produces, beyond the US shores it starts to get dark, Canada is nearer so it's grey rather than dark. (Sure this is true of any country). The whole terminology however, was a jibe at US only collectors (kind of an injoke) on the darkside about US collectors being oblivious to anything before 1776 (in the dark about stuff before then), and some openly hostile and refusing to accept other countries even have coins (perhaps they are afraid of what they can't see, or don't understand, the world's just too vast). The only real coins are US coins, as everybody knows. ;) Or at least that was the explanation given to me by the PCGS forum where the whole thing originated, and the terminology was invented by an American too, so it wasn't a bunch of non-US citizens getting anti-American. With regards to the application of 'darkside', 'liteside' to any particular country your milage may vary. But I tend to favour the standardisation approach, one for confusion avoidance and secondly because I've been thinking of myself as a darksider for so long now that it's hard not to. If you were to collect only Aussie coins and you were an Aussie then an American would still call you a darksider even if you though of yourself as a litesider. Confusing or what? |
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 United States
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[OO!], al la dark side of the moon. I love it. Truly the best post, "Look mommy there is an airplane up in the sky"  |
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United States
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O.K. Knights of the coin table, how would you resolve this one. Lets say I lived in Canada and collected Australian 3 & 6 Pence coins, also Shillings and Florin. The only problem is they all have 'D'or 'S' mint marks. True they are Australian coins but were minted here in the old US of A. Would I be collecting dark, light, gray or some form in between?  |
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Originally posted by OldDan
O.K. Knights of the coin table, how would you resolve this one.
Lets say I lived in Canada and collected Australian 3 & 6 Pence coins, also Shillings and Florin. The only problem is they all have 'D'or 'S' mint marks. True they are Australian coins but were minted here in the old US of A. Would I be collecting dark, light, gray or some form in between?
Dan those coins are worthless. Count them out into two piles. Send one of the piles to Lim and the other to me. We will use them as examples of "Coins gone Wild" As for dark, grey or somthing else, it does not matter we have both gone color blind from reading so many posts. rggoodie
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Darkside as they are circulating coinage from another country and they WERE not released in the U.S.! We also have minted a great number of other coins, especially in WWI and WWII, and even though we can't spend them here having a few of them are a nice addition to my collection. Have some Phillipines and Netherland coins that were minted right here in the U.S. and a few of them are UNC! Just a nice little round piece of history with a D or S on it!
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United States
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I was always under the impression that the Dark Side reference was a play on Star Wars. "You don't understand the power of the Dark Side." "I'll never turn to the Dark Side" etc etc ;)
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It is! And we are! And yes the force of the Darkside is strong! Actually it all fits well, especially in the U.S. where collecting foreign coins was NOT cool for years and years! Lets just say the FORCE has awakened a sleeping giant as more and more U.S. collectors are turning away from bland dead president designs that have been around all of our lives. I can see leaving and commemorating the Presidents on our currency but get them off of our coins. It is literally a time for a change in our change! Our government (spoiled rich kids born with a silver spoon in their mouths) can think of nothing but patting political figures on the back and American collectors, with the help of the internet have discovered there is art, history, culture and beauty around the world and are now, more than ever, jumping into the world collecting arena! It is a win-win situation for everyone! I guess when you step over to the darkside, the force is so strong, you will never come back! I did and I am staying! I found a whole new world of friends, new coins, old coins, history, art and culture that I never knew before! The term Darkside has caught on and quite honestly thats where foreign coins have been for so long! Out of sight, in the dark, so to speak! But no longer! And, amazingly enough many of the coins of other nations (I don't really care for the word foreign now) are steadily out doing modern U.S. coins and with much lower mintages that is not about to change! A major movement is quietly taking place in the American collecting community and if the U.S. government and the U.S. Mint doesn't open up its eyes they are going to get caught holding a full bag of collectable coins, over and over and over!There efforts to control the secondary market by mass producing everything is about to catch up to them!
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