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 Posted 09/20/2008  10:15 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm still working on my 7070, & am starting to check into filling the Trade dollar hole. My number one priority is to get an authentic coin with a good bit of detail. I would prefer a coin with original surfaces but could probably live with one that had been cleaned/dipped in the past as long as it wasn't harshly cleaned or too unnaturally bright.

Can anyone tell me what greysheet bid/ask is for a common date Trade dollar? Maybe point me in the direction of reputable online dealers with pictures so I could start doing some comparison shopping? I really don't want to pay a premium for a slabbed coin that I would end up cracking out anyway. Any comments or opinions will be appreciated.
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 Posted 09/20/2008  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zerozero to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a Greysheet dated Sept 12.

Trade dollars listed as:

VG 110
F 115
VF 120
XF 135
AU 220
MS60 925

I can't point you towards a dealer but I was just in a local antiques store and saw three Trade dollars listed for $200 each (all estimated at XF).

Two were moderately whizzed.
The third was abusively whizzed--it was harsh.

I passed on all three.
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09/20/2008 4:23 pm
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 Posted 09/20/2008  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fengk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Be prepared to pay well over Greysheet bid for a nice Trade dollar. If you are comfortable at detecting counterfeits on your own, then some nice deals can be had buying on ebay. Otherwise, I would suggest buying one slabbed or purchasing one raw from a trusted dealer.
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 Posted 09/20/2008  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, if you can detect counterfeit coins then ebay is a good place to look but if you can't I would stay clear of ebay all together unless you were to buy a slabbed example from a reputable TPG because the Trade dollar is highly copied
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 Posted 09/21/2008  04:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This may sound strange coming from me, but if you are not GOOD at detecting fake Trade dollars ou should only buy a slabbed one. We are all familiar with the fakes that have come out of China during the past few years, but there have been tons of fake trades coming out of the orient since the 1960's. Even back when I started collecting in the ealy 70's the discussion about Trade dollars was always the huge number of fakes that were on the market. They haven't made any new genuine trades since then, but almost forty years worth of production of fakes have been added to the market since then.
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 Posted 09/21/2008  04:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zerozero to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm glad you guys said something.

I'm just getting interested in Trade dollars but had no idea about the fake ones.

I just Googled: "counterfeit Trade dollar" images. Check 'em out.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=...Images&gbv=2
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How can you determine the fake ones?, Are there any main characteristics to look for !?
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interesting site thanks for the link
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 Posted 09/22/2008  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nathan George to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Hi 007:

I firmly believe Conder 101 is correct. Tons and Tons of fackes from China are pouring in the market.
EgCollector: One can identify the fake by apperance, edge lettering, portrait, eagle, etc.,
But, an experienced collector may also liable to do a mistake.
So, the best thing is BUYING A SLABED ONE. This will give mental satisfaction and help in case of selling it by the heirs.
Sincerely
George
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 Posted 09/22/2008  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
unless they have also counterfeited the slab...
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 Posted 09/22/2008  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Of all the coins I need for my 7070, this one scares me the most!
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I am also working on my 7070 and have mostly bought raw coins for it. But in the case of the Trade dollar (and one of the Seated Liberty dollars - still need with Motto - $$$), I bought a certified coin and cracked it. There are just too many counterfeits out there and they can be really hard to detect. I would never buy a raw Trade dollar without seeing it under a 10x and even then, I'd have to feel good about the dealer.

I filled the Trade dollar slot with an ANACS 1878-S EF Details, Net VF Cleaned. The cleaning is older and wasn't overly harsh. I think it was in the $125 range (back in 2007).

Ken
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I got my VF-30 Trade dollar from Harlan Berk. Here is a link to one that has been dipped. but still a nice looking coin. You can be sure it is genuine if you get it from them.

http://www.harlanjberk.com/unitedst...us&linenum=2

Good luck.
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09/29/2008 10:47 pm
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 Posted 10/06/2008  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Raw versus slabbed.....sounds familiar.
A slabbed coin from a TPC will cost a good deal more than a raw coin; however, if you purchase from a reputable dealer, such as has been previously posted, I believe you can get a nice (real) coin for less money.

Ralph
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 Posted 10/07/2008  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are enough fakes out there that a person could actually go to collecting them!
Sort of a "Rouges Gallery" sort of thing.
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Quote:
There are enough fakes out there that a person could actually go to collecting them!


Absolutely. One of our veteran forum members Swamperbob has quite an extensive counterfeit collection if I'm not mistaken.
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