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1889-CC Morgan Raw With ?'s

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Puzzled by this one. Pictures are grainy but seller guarantees it's genuine.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2932835235...l_noapp=true

Date looks off and the notch in the 9 looks wrong; Far date VAM but can't see the markers; ear looks doubled; raised lumps on rev at M, R, C and A and L in dollar. Maybe I'm just triggered that somebody bid $5700 for a "highly UNC" coin.
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 Posted 10/23/2019  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
UNC details. not highly uncirculated MS/BU
coin was cleaned which is a bummer. since this seller has no idea what an uncirculated coin looks like stay far away
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 Posted 10/23/2019  10:12 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a genuine VAM-5A, but probably AU details with juiced photos.
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This seller is known for breaking out problem coins and selling them as problem free
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The seller's business model is to crack out detail coins and sell them raw as a high end straight grade. Most of the seller's coins are genuine, but this 89CC is suspect.
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 Posted 10/23/2019  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For that much money, NO SLAB-NO DEAL.
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Photo doctoring evident. It amazes me that people spending that much money on a raw coin haven't learned basic evaluations first.
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Avoid this seller like the plague.. He often buys XF-AU Details coins from other large auction sites then cracks them out and markets them as BU on ebay. Search older threads and you will find plenty of examples of this.
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I just noticed his handle - Thedokctor. As in photos and grading.
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Real coin but it's been heavily worked over, the right field shows the clearest evidence of the whizzing and buffing that was done. AU details.

Any time you see the "200 year old safe" scam from this idiot, run...the PCGS/NGC coins are ok, the others will soon become "someone else's problem", don't let someone be you. The construction of that safe (the design, the drawer pulls, etc) point to an origin no earlier than the 1940s. The painted concrete/cinder block "store" on a poured slab foundation is definitely not from the 1810s, more like the 1960s or 1970s.

Besides, if I go to an old abandoned building, bring in a safe, and put my coins in it, can I then legally market them as "found in an old abandoned building inside an old safe?" Of course.

Never any shortage of suckers.
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