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1857 One Penny Bank Token

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Here's a recent token pickup of mine and I was hoping to get an opinion on the grade. I have my fingers crossed for something around an AU, but I am nowhere near an expert on this series. Probably one of my favourite coin designs of all time though.

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 Posted 11/03/2019  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU
Rim is slightly damaged
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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That is neat
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AU-58. Eye Appeal 6/10. Generally dark coins are avoided by many, but this one still retains significant luster in the hidden spots of the design elements.

The only possible concern is if this was stripped down with a cleaner and retoned with gun blueing. The different toning color in the open field areas might need a professional opinion.
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AU by US standards.
But maybe only XF by Canadian standards.
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no opinion on grade, but a very nice coin.
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 Posted 11/03/2019  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blargish to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for the responses!

@moxking
I had similar concerns with the toning. Although initially attractive to me, I'm aware that in certain cases it can be a result of cleaning. The colours are pretty subtle, however
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Grade: Between EF-45 and AU-50 (Possibly with an old cleaning and retoning)

Variety: Courteau #290 (The most commun pair of dies for the 1 Penny 1857)

From my book:

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This token from my archives:

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I'm sorry if my English isn't perfect... I'm learning a little more every day.
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@ainsivalavie

Thank you very much for the information! Super helpful. I'll have to give your book a look at some point.
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AU-50 and I think it would straight grade, not sure it has been cleaned.
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Rim nick is a minor one and not an issue.
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AU-55 straight, beautiful example.
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I agree with Ains "Grade: Between EF-45 and AU-50". with a strong lean towards 50

Not too concerned about the color/toning, it's difficult to capture copper accurately in a photo.

As far as grade/value, 1857 is by far the easiest/most affordable to find in Mint State. When it comes to 1857 don't settle for anything else but MS60+
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Wade: I agree with Ains "Grade: Between EF-45 and AU-50". with a strong lean towards 50

Not too concerned about the color/toning, it's difficult to capture copper accurately in a photo.

Indeed, this token is much closer to «AU-50».

Otherwise, it's not just the color of the token that led me to believe that this coin had been cleaned and retoned a +/- long time ago, but also the discoloration spots and the typical shade variations. For example:
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But hey, it's not an exact science, let alone through photos. Moreover, this token is still relatively pleasant to the eye.

Note: Sorry if my comment is not very clear, I have difficulty in this case translating my thoughts into written English.
I'm sorry if my English isn't perfect... I'm learning a little more every day.
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