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1878 1c Indian Head Cent

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$138. Thoughts? Thanks!

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AU Details Scratched Cleaned and Corrosion Removed
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Wow Graper that was brutal . MS Details , Would have liked to see more and sharper Diamonds . Indian bust is too rough . Color does look a little off .
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Something is off on this one. Details are very mushy, looks almost cast. This is either a counterfeit or Whizzed at one time because of all the little pits every where one the coin. Not one I would buy.

P.S., I'm leaning more towards counterfeit now that I look at those rims.
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There's a scratch to the left on United that looks bad. Cleaned for the unnatural color. Corrosion removed for the rough surfaces and evidence of old corrosion.
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I don't like the seem that runs around the edge on both sides. I've seen this on Chinese counterfeits.
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This is the Shallow N reverse. Should be Bold N (last use of the Shallow N was in 1877). Counterfeit.
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Just noticed the obverse denticles look off .
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It does look like the coin has the shallow N which was only used in 1864-1870 and 1877. Will try to do some sleuthing.
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First thing to catch my eye was the spacing between the denticles. Just made it look off to me right away...
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To be frank, I do not like the look of that coin.
Many features look poorly defined, and the surfaces pebbly and rough. The numerals in the date also do not look correct.
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looks as if it was in the ground at some point and then cleaned.
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A PCGS coin for comparison.

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These are photos of a known counterfeit. Look at the "N's" on the reverse.
https://indianvarieties.com/counter...-eagle-cent/

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Nice one - The Shallow N is the tell. It's a counterfeit, period.
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This post supports my premise that I should only be buying slabbed coins until I learn more about grading raw coins. Always concerned about counterfeit and altered or cleaned coins. This forum is really helpful
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