8 Reales Pillar Dollar 1744 Mozambique.

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gerta New Member Greece 11 Posts	Posted 11/13/2019 10:57 am Hi to everyone. I have this coin half a year in my collection. What's your opinion? Is fake or original? Weight and diameter is ok. Thanks everyone. Anastasios Greece. Report this Post to the Staff

jfransch Pillar of the Community United States 1801 Posts	Posted 11/13/2019 11:01 am Need to post pictures please. Obverse, reverse, and edge Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 189767 Posts	Posted 11/13/2019 11:05 am Welcome back! Uploading Photos Free Image Optimizer Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
gerta New Member Greece 11 Posts	Posted 11/13/2019 2:15 pm I'm trying.. Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 189767 Posts	Posted 11/13/2019 4:00 pm Quote: I'm trying.. Well done. No we wait for the experts to opine. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
gerta New Member Greece 11 Posts	Posted 11/13/2019 4:14 pm Thanks! .... waiting Edited by gerta 11/13/2019 4:17 pm Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 189767 Posts	Posted 11/13/2019 4:19 pm So sorry to say, but I am not familiar with the coin. However, I have full confidence that others will be. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
gerta New Member Greece 11 Posts	Posted 11/13/2019 4:28 pm We do not have to know everything about coins. And wanting it is impossible. Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 189767 Posts	Posted 11/13/2019 5:01 pm Well in that case, my non-expert opinion is that I like it. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
gerta New Member Greece 11 Posts	Posted 11/13/2019 5:15 pm I like it too. I'm not sure about the authenticity. If it is I will love it more. Report this Post to the Staff
jfransch Pillar of the Community United States 1801 Posts	Posted 11/13/2019 6:33 pm Welcome to the group Gerta I don't see anything blatant that makes me think the coin is a counterfeit, however 1744 is a common counterfeit date and hard to tell from a photo. I do not like the look of the counterstamp and that would be enough to keep me from buying the coin if I had seen it somewhere. That said, if the coin is real and the counterstamp is real you have a very rare and valuable coin so I would suggest sending the coin to NGC for certification. Report this Post to the Staff
gerta New Member Greece 11 Posts	Posted 11/14/2019 3:32 pm Thank you for the comprehensive answer. Similarly I don't see anything strange in the coin but it was good that I got an answer to it. As for my counterstamp it seems simpler or better badly struck. However before buying I had been looking for at least one of these features. I remember a bit of PCGS. Difficult coins ... I'll ship to NGC or PCGS. I hope everything goes well. Thanks again. Report this Post to the Staff
realeswatcher Pillar of the Community United States 1962 Posts	Posted 11/16/2019 03:25 am The host coin looks genuine. The Mozamb. stamp? Not so sure. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7963 Posts	Posted 11/16/2019 10:21 am Certainly the counterstamp looks different from examples found on a web search (albeit on different host coins). https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...dd32f61f1093 https://coins.ha.com/itm/mozambique...3042-30216.s If I were to describe the differences, I would say the letters are more regular in these other examples, and the base of the stamp is clearly flat, not sharply angled as yours appears (though it is hard to see in the photo, so maybe I am wrong). Edited by tdziemia 11/16/2019 10:28 am Report this Post to the Staff
Safaga Valued Member United States 191 Posts	Posted 11/16/2019 10:28 am I notice the counter stamp on the OP's coin differs from the photo in Krause. Theirs seems to have thicker lines. However, I admit I have no expertise. However, as a collector of these types of coins, I am aware that these counter stamps of African, Middle Eastern, and Asian states are often counterfeited. It seems logical that it's easier to counterfeit a counter stamp onto an original coin that it is to counterfeit an entire coin. Report this Post to the Staff
gerta New Member Greece 11 Posts	Posted 11/16/2019 11:36 am Thank you for your answers. Counterstamp was my main concern. See if you would like a better photo of my coin and a second coin that was sold by a notable Spanish auction house. The coin is uncertified. I don't know if it's genuine mine but there are definitely differences between counterstamp. Report this Post to the Staff
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