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Carolingian Coin Authenticity I

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 Posted 12/12/2019  5:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add vstefanyuk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Would appreciate for opinions concerning authenticity of this coin.

W: 0.67 g
D: 15 mm

Thanks!!

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 Posted 12/12/2019  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have very little experience with Carolingians but will say that if the one that went unsold at cgb recently is authentic, then I see a lot of stylistic similarities, (though they are both pretty crude), and the mass and size are right.
https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...25fce9d9dfb0
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Carolingian coinage rarely passes the eyes of most collectors early European coinage.
That includes me, anyway, despite the fact that I have about a dozen examples of early European hammered coinage.

Very difficult to decide if authentic with screen shots only, with a coin like this one.
This coin really needs to be taken to a museum specialist on Carolingian coinage, to be examined in hand.

If I had the opportunity to acquire an example of Carolingian coinage, (which I would very much like to do), I would have it independently verified, before making a decision to buy.

I have been collecting ancient and hammered coinage for almost 50 years, but I have to humbly admit: I am forced to pass on this one, due to lack of specialist expertise.
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I agree with sel's comment. From the image it appears to be genuine but I don't know enough about this area to say for sure.
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If I had the opportunity to acquire an example of Carolingian coinage, (which I would very much like to do), I would have it independently verified, before making a decision to buy.


@sel_191, Carolingians regularly come up at trustworthy auction sites in the UK / Europe, and a nice example from a prolific mint under Charles the Bald can often be gotten for something like $200-250 US including fees. Never cheap, but also not as expensive as one might think.
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 Posted 12/12/2019  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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From the image it appears to be genuine but I don't know enough about this area to say for sure.


Also my impression. Skills at the Narbonne mint are clearly not as good as farther north. But the coins from there must be quite rare, given the opening bid (which was not met).
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 Posted 12/13/2019  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not often seen in Australia, partly the reason for my lack of expertise with these.
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Weight is right, diameter is right, general looks is right. What concerns me a bit is the unusual crudeness of the letters and the cross. Even though the small oboles from minor mints like Narbonne are usually far from artistic masterpieces, this example has more than the average of irregularities in the design elements. But, it could be the product of a junior engraver...

I am not at all certain about this one. It may well be genuine. Considering its rarity and considerable value, I would recommend opinions from qualified experts and/or a grading.

As a sidenote, the dating in the CoinArchives page is off. Louis was emperor 814-840, so this coin is from that period.
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 Posted 12/17/2019  04:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vstefanyuk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all!

Bought it for around $80 + shipping costs.

Hope it is good investment.
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My words exactly.
And I would have probably done the same thing as well, given the opportunity.
Then having taken what is probably a low risk, I would have followed up on the authenticity anyway.
Fortunately for me, I have some lifetime experienced (in hammered), auctioneer / dealer friends, who would be able give me a very good opinion.
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